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PETER HITCHENS: "There has been NO War on Drugs. I would enforce the law"
twitter ^ | March 8 | Peter Hitchens

Posted on 03/08/2023 5:35:12 AM PST by RandFan

Peter Hichens on the war on drugs and enforcing the law.

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This is quite controversial I do not agree with him as a libertarian but he's entitled to his views...

Is he right, Freepers?

1 posted on 03/08/2023 5:35:12 AM PST by RandFan
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To: RandFan

There has been considerable thought and study devoted to whether recreational use of illegal drugs is a “victimless” crime. Recall that prostitution has also been referred to as a victimless crime but now is generally considered in the context of how many of the participants were trafficked into the trade against their will and otherwise illegally.

https://www.ottumwa.us/files/police/report_of_drugs_and_the_midwest.pdf


2 posted on 03/08/2023 5:42:17 AM PST by desertsolitaire (Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes)
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To: desertsolitaire

He gave drink driving as an example and what happened in the 60’s, etc.

This is well before my time!


3 posted on 03/08/2023 5:48:07 AM PST by RandFan
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To: RandFan

I want all people who do anything illegal while under the influence to be considered “premeditated.”

I also want no welfare to pay to medically help what they do to themselves.

Am I Libertarian enough for you?


4 posted on 03/08/2023 5:51:23 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: RandFan

The war on drugs is nothing but a war on the American people that allows the powerful and politically connected to make a lot of money off cartel bribes.


5 posted on 03/08/2023 5:53:11 AM PST by wildcard_redneck (Biden will mess up the Ukraine worse than Afghanistan.)
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To: RandFan; ConservativeMind

That is, I want their actions to be considered “premeditated.”


6 posted on 03/08/2023 5:53:12 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: desertsolitaire

You can’t really compare prostitution to drug use. Yes, I know that some prostitutes are intentionally hooked on drugs by their pimps to control them, but bye and bye, drug users take drugs of their own free will.

That said, when existing laws are actually enforced and the punishment harsh, you get less of that unlawful activity. And the opposite is true also as we are seeing happen in liberal cities who turn criminals loose with no bail and crime in the cities goes sky high. If you want to stop drugs being smuggled across the boarder, put the mules in jail for 5 years minimum and the deport them with the warning that if they ever enter the US again, it’s 5 more years.

And set the military against the cartels with orders to shoot to kill.


7 posted on 03/08/2023 5:55:57 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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To: RandFan

There has been a ‘war on drugs’ since Bush Sr.
The only ‘casualties’ habe been those using these drugs, those bodily transporting those drugs, and the police killed in their performance of said drug war.

It is the individual’s choice, just like tobacco or alcohol.

It is my stance that these poisins, prove me they are not, should ne stopped, with all extreme prejudice, streetside dispensed.

Presently, this whole mess has become an industry for lawyers, U.S.V.P. as example.

Dealers and Pushers sjould be targeted, not at their domicile, but at the scene of their business, and left there for the sidewalk cleanup crew to scoop uo, at their next ccycle through the area.


8 posted on 03/08/2023 5:59:54 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: ConservativeMind

I think that mandatory drug testing for absolutely any and all government payouts should be required.

I would legalize every drug in the world.
I would consider making Narcan illegal — hey, if you overdose on Fentanyl, no one is going to save you and you are going to die. Exceptions for first responders who may be accidentally exposed.

Absolutely no taxpayer money should go to people who use drugs.
If someone can use drugs and make a living, then I have no problem with that.
But if you choose to use drugs and need my help to survive, then you are out of luck.
People who commit crimes and test positive for drugs should be dealt with harshly. That’s not how you “make a living”.


9 posted on 03/08/2023 6:02:04 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: RandFan

In the past they knew that an amendment to decrease freedom was required, that should still be the case. As of now,
.gov doesn’t have the authority to end such choices, at least in theory.


10 posted on 03/08/2023 6:08:21 AM PST by Theoria
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To: RandFan

There are a number of future options, including:
1. Junkievilles in out-of-town locales
2. FDA quality-controlled recreational drugs
3. Liquid dilution (yellow - non-lethal at two liters per day for an 180 pound adult going to red - lethal at two liters per day except to hardened opiate users)


11 posted on 03/08/2023 6:08:42 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“set the military against the cartels with orders to shoot to kill”

Ask around in Matamoros, Mexico to see how that is working out.


12 posted on 03/08/2023 6:13:31 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: RandFan

Argento o plomo


13 posted on 03/08/2023 6:15:41 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Terry L Smith

If there was a war on drugs pushers would be in prison forever and ever


14 posted on 03/08/2023 6:17:58 AM PST by Fai Mao (Starve the beast and steal its food!)
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To: RandFan

I completely disagree with him, and our mordern schizophrenia is evidence. There has not only been a BIG PHARMA war on drugs but it actually is a BIG MEDICAL CULTURAL WAR. (Covid collectivizing corporate-Marxist colonialism is an example)

“Drugs” originally were a social orientation prerogatives of “primitive” tribes. We now are simply destorying South American Indian culture by raiding their way of life and exchanging it with a patent costing manufactured pill - culture.

The Marxist benefit angle in this is to also run roughshod over these cultures by opposing the old against the young kidnapped and brainwashed in Marxist mental institutions called “higher education” where drugs are experimented on as a means of creating an underground incited army no one has control over. Because not only a deal with today’s Marxist is “preloaded” with it broken by the next generation of Marxists, but moreover this pogromic form of drug pushing by Marxist users on those who are not sick from drugs is the patent irresponsible political oppression coming from the very “ancestor wish” that Indian tribes had managed well prior actually.


15 posted on 03/08/2023 6:23:03 AM PST by lavaroise
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The open borders allowing for the free flow of drugs and empowerment of the cartels is evidence enough of this. Can’t claim there is a “war on drugs” with that going on.

And the legalization in some jurisdictions which has further empowered cartels and caused crime to skyrocket is additional evidence. Exactly the opposite of what the legalization crowd claimed would occur.


16 posted on 03/08/2023 6:30:21 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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no, their carcasses would be left on the corner where they were executed.

why spend tax money for any litigation of proven pushers and dealers. that is the industry i mentioned.
no. they are known to the authorities in their craft.
therefore, since they are an echelon of this said war, in the rear with the gear, they are no less complicit, and worthy of execution.


17 posted on 03/08/2023 6:30:41 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4128729/posts

“Contrary to political rhetoric, Mexican-style cartel killings and gun battles appear to have already reached the U.S. and are spreading — particularly in California. The region experienced an explosive growth of cartel marijuana grow operations that are taking advantage of legalization and lax laws.

This week, federal authorities clashed with one of two gunmen who are accused of killing a family of six — including a 16-year-old female and her baby. The murders took place last month in Tulare County, California, in what some authorities have dubbed a cartel killing.”


18 posted on 03/08/2023 6:35:03 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: RandFan
The United States, supposedly, has the most citizens, behind bars, per capita, then any other country in the world..

That's because, in my opinion, of the wishy-washy way we enforce the law..

The laws against selling illicit narcotics should be enforced rigorously.! With HEAVY penalties and fines. If you need more prisons, build them.!

All those people you see living on the streets in our major cities ain't there just because their poor and homeless, their there because of the NARCOTICS.!

19 posted on 03/08/2023 6:37:59 AM PST by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
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To: RandFan

And lose all of that tax-free laundered income.


20 posted on 03/08/2023 6:47:45 AM PST by chopperk ( )
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