and we know that is sufficient, for the Christian world has declared it to be sufficient,
despite what the Holy Bible says.????
Posted on 01/31/2023 10:39:50 AM PST by RoosterRedux
Joseph Smith, Jr.’s statement that he was ”the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam.” was made on Sunday, May 26, 1844.
It’s found in the History of the Church Vol. 6, p. 408-412.
By May 26, 1844, the 'church' had alREADY split into..
the Pure Church of Christ (1831),
the Independent Church (1832),
the Church of Christ (Boothite) (1836),
the Church of Christ (Parrishite) (1837),
the Alston Church (1839),
the Church of Christ (Chubbyite) (late 1830s),
the Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife (1840),
and the Church of Christ (Pageite) (1842).
These groups had already split from Joseph Smith’s Church (which was known as the Church of Christ from 1830 to 1834, the Church of the Latter Day Saints (no hyphen) from 1834 to 1838, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (no hyphen) until 1844).
I don’t understand how that is ‘keep[ing] a whole church together.”
Ironically, the May 26, 1844, is the speech Joseph Smith. Jr. gave after William Law testified before a grand jury that Smith was committing polygamy. Law also claimed that Smith had made several proposals to Law’s wife Jane, under the premise that Jane Law would enter a polyandrous marriage with Smith. In his May 25, 1844 speech, Smith also said “What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.” At the time he claimed to have but one wife, Smith had at least 34 wives.
Of course, Law was excommunicated from the Church and eventually was a publisher of the Nauvoo Expositor, which publicly accused Smith of
(a) corrupting young women by coercing them into plural marriage,
(b) being a fallen prophet by engaging in polygamy, and
(c) desiring to establish a theocracy.
Smith’s order that the Nauvoo printing press be destroyed and the type be pied eventually led to his arrest and death in Carthage (the charge of treason against Smith was unrelated to destruction of the newspaper and arose from Smith declaring martial law and calling out his personal militia, the Nauvoo Legion).
Amazing. At the time he made that statement, a lot of sub-cults had already broken away. And he made that statement during the same speech when he lied about having more than one wife - the speech that set William Law on his course to publishing the Nauvoo Expositor . . . and Smith on his course to his death, firing that pepperbox pistol and killing two
and we know that is sufficient, for the Christian world has declared it to be sufficient,
despite what the Holy Bible says.????
We have a caller on line three; I think it is; "Hello; wita; from... ...the USA!"
"Thank you for calling in to the Ask the Non-Prophet Show; where we search LDS sources to find answers to the most interesting questions!"
"What's yer question for this here ol' Gentile to answer??"
"Oh GOD! I can't believe I got through! I've listened for Years, but never tried to call in before. Oh! I made it!"
"Yes. Yes you have, Dubya. Go ahead - what are you wondering about??"
"I've heard [that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent]
Is that going to be:
1) Salt Lake City, Utah, or
2) Independence, Missouri or
3) up near Gallatin, Missouri?"
"Well; according to https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/new-jerusalem
So it appears that #2 is your answer: Independence.
Appearances are misleading.
Until it is built or returns as the City of Enoch, and the nations fear to come unto it, the answer will be it hasn’t happened yet that I’m aware of. We certainly have bigger fish to fry as your President leads his country over the cliff. A little touch of obvious humor.
I understand your confusion when you have the entire panoply of Mormon thought and a corresponding mountain of print from every anti-Mormon scribe from then to now. All virtually at your fingertips, but fail to see the forest for the trees. It isn’t Brigham’s or Joseph’s Church. Nor Mormon’s for that matter.
It is particularly important to recognize Joseph Smith for what you cannot see, which doesn’t change the facts or truth of the matter. The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS today is a legacy and proof of what he was privileged to restore to the earth. It will always be looked down upon by the Christian world.
There will always be voices of opposition attempting to woo parishioners to a different fold. We can only hope “we” have chosen wisely. I believe John Chapter 10 states there shall be one fold and one shepherd. That will be a great day, but until then we need to be looking and listening with broken hearts and contrite spirits to the voice of the good shepherd.
I know little of LDSs, but one of my progenitors also split away from JS (but after the 1844 speech), forming the "Godbeites". On the surface he was denouncing polygamy, among other practices, but another reason was to open Utah to mining, which JS forbid. Like W. Law, W. S. Godbe resorted to publishing: the Utah Mining Gazette. This was to further his dream of opening up Utah to that industry. (The UMG later evolved into the Salt Lake City Tribune).
I think that most of my 'stuff' comes from LDS sources.
Of course, there are a LOT of things that the top guys have access to that even the BIC folks have never even seen - merely have heard them whispered about.
Yeah.
My #79 and #81 tend to point that out quite well.
You know, NON-Mormon would be a bit more truthful here; but that would expose non-faith-building facts to a world that has been told - nay WARNED! - to avoid them..
Taking an older model car and pounding out the dents, sanding away the rust, repainting, and re-chroming the bumper is what is known as 'restoring' a car.
Chopping the top, beefing up the frame, dropping in a big block and narrowing the rear-end is known as 'customizing' a car.
Though they both have 4 wheels and an engine, they will NEVER be recognized as being from the same Manufacturer.
Then LISTEN to HIM and not the siren call of others!
Brigham Young, October 9, 1859
Intelligence, Etc.
Remarks by President BRIGHAM YOUNG, delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859.
Reported by G. D. Watt
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p.282-91
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
God is my “right hand man.”[8]
(Joseph Smith, in a letter to James Arlington Bennett on November 13, 1843, History of the Church, (Deseret Book, 1975), vol. 6, p. 78.)
"God made Aaron to be the mouth piece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don’t like it, you must lump it."
Joseph Smith at the LDS Conference on April 8, 1844, History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 319-320.
"God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter- day Saints never ran away from me yet."
Joseph Smith, Sunday, May 26, 1844 History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408-9.
"We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.”
— Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48
“As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.”
Lorenzo Snow, Mormon Prophet and president
"The day will come—and it is not far distant, either—when the name of the Prophet Joseph Smith will be coupled with the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of God, as his representative, as his agent whom he chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God."[5]
Joseph F. Smith, sixth president of the LDS Church, Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. [1939], p. 134; as quoted in “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” Ensign, (Dec. 2003): p. 17.
“Thus those who gain eternal life receive exaltation. . . They are gods.”
(LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pg. 237).
(Gordon B. Hinckley, the fifteenth president of the LDS Church, Ensign article entitled “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” December 2003)
My brothers and sisters, in this bicentennial year of his birth, I should like to speak of our beloved Prophet Joseph Smith. . . . In the 135th section of the Doctrine and Covenants we read the words of John Taylor concerning the Prophet Joseph: “Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it.” [D&C 135: 3]
(Thomas S. Monson, counselor to President Gordon B. Hinckley, the semi-annual LDS Conference in Salt Lake City, 2005)
(I hope I did not inadvertently include any ANTI-Mormon quotes in the above...)
Cool history there!
I didn’t know this.
Ping
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