Posted on 01/29/2023 11:13:42 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy
I am a fan of classic radio shows and I notice that until at least the late 1930s, what we know as the city of Los Angeles, California, was always referred to phonetically as, “Los Angle-Es”.
Do any of our old timers or young timers with more knowledge than myself here know, or remember when, the pronunciation change was made, and by who, and why?
You can hear this formerly de facto pronunciation in old radio shows from the 1930s such as this example - https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/case-closed-old-time-radio/id219708992?l=en&i
I appreciate you all accepting my Vanity post.
The 1990 film The Grifters (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099703/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) has character Lilly Dillon (Angelica Huston) referring to it as “Los AngelEEES.” The novel on which it is based is from 1963.
I had it figured for Pee Wee Trudeau, not the father, mostly because Pee Wee was so much closer at hand...and I was too callow back then to have looked beyond the heat and pizzazz.
Though I drove regularly between Montana and Saskatchewan during those years and drank in hours of conversation beween the greats (Zofski and Gaboreau) whom as a middle-teenager alloted me hundreds of free-pass hours which I listened to, studied on, laughed along with until...well, what DID happen...? The beginning and the end seemed to come and go in those free and youthful (also beerful) months and years.
Yes, Zofski knelt at the feet of the early Trudeau, but even I was willing and able to cut through the crap of that. And him.
Glad to see your post...big winter here in the mountains the last week or so, 20 below, 35 mph winds, endless, bitter, deadly, enough, enough ENOUGH!!
Glad to see your post, I have overlooked it would seem.
Yikes! Sounds awful.....I tend to hibernate through much of the winter, but this one has been mild compared to some. Not much snow (more rain), and temps hovering around freezing to just above. That changes this week though, and my son is glad because his giant pond will finally freeze and they can pull out the hockey sticks, muskoka chairs, get the bon fires going and enjoy the rink (with some beer, of course lol).
Thank you for this. This, and east coast radio production theory seem pretty definitive to me. In my experience listening to old radio shows, the modern pronunciation was quickly catching on by the early 1950s, and the old way soon all but disappeared.
As of now, Cincinnati is known as “The City of Lost Bengalese”…
“...who would ask people to use the full name...”
Sorry, misread you. But I have never been corrected concerning the use of either major city abbreviation. Maybe the right person never heard me.
We saw more southern situated people than from the north as back in the 50’s L.A. had better entertainment than Frisco. Anaheim in particular tacked on to Hollywood later with the studios.
wy69
“...who would ask people to use the full name...”
Sorry, misread you. But I have never been corrected concerning the use of either major city abbreviation. Maybe the right person never heard me.
We saw more southern situated people than from the north as back in the 50’s L.A. had better entertainment than Frisco. Anaheim in particular tacked on to Hollywood later with the studios.
wy69
I watched a documentary of the Dodgers 1959 World Series win and the narrator (not Vin Scully) said “Los Angle-less” and I thought it was strange.
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