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Detained Over CHEESEBURGER | No Crime, No ID
The Civil Rights Laywer ^ | John H. Bryan / Civil Rights Attorney

Posted on 01/23/2023 8:31:26 AM PST by MeganC

Text for video from this link: https://thecivilrightslawyer.com/2023/01/22/detained-arrested-and-beaten-over-cheeseburger-dispute/

Detained, Arrested and Beaten Over Cheeseburger Dispute Posted on January 22, 2023 It’s happened yet again – this time in Ohio – where police arrive to a trespassing complaint at a business (this time at a McDonald’s) and instead of allowing the person to leave the business, they instead detain and forcibly ID the individual. Do police officers have the right to detain someone under these circumstances? More importantly, do they have NEED to do so?

From the Dayton Daily News:

An incident that led to an officer hitting a woman multiple times Monday began as a dispute over missing cheese on a Big Mac. Butler Twp. Sgt. Todd Stanley and Off. Tim Zellers responded at 4:20 p.m. to a call about a disorderly customer at the McDonald’s at 3411 York Commons Blvd., and on arrival, officers spoke to Latinka Hancock, according to a police report.

When the woman refused to provide her ID, the officers engaged in a brutal and violent use of force against her, which one customer inside the McDonald’s caught on video:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=691942075763580

Following the release of the footage to the public, the officer has been placed on leave, pending internal investigation.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: cheeseburger; donutwatch; id; mcdonalds; ohio; police; violence
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To: Fido969

The force was used in response to a resisting charge. That stuff never works out well for the defendant.


81 posted on 01/23/2023 9:43:49 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: ibheath

“And yet it was not a lawful request. There are specific circumstances that must be present for LEO to be able to legally require ID. Unfortunately, many LEOs ignore this reality.”

Exactly right.


82 posted on 01/23/2023 9:47:55 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Fido969

“The cop should have gone into the restaurant and arrested the manager for refusing to do his job as a food service provider.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“You criminally left off the onions!”


83 posted on 01/23/2023 9:48:09 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: shotgun
Not sticking up for the cops, but asking for an ID is a lawful order.

Nope.

They may request. You do not need to comply. There is a difference between a request and an order. Order does not apply until they have arrested, not detained, you. At that point they can demand ID. They can also demand a drivers license if you are in control of a motor vehicle.

Now the law varies somewhat from state to state but this is pretty much the rule.

84 posted on 01/23/2023 9:48:25 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: Fido969

It all depends upon how long. I am sure she “fussed” for a while after management listened then explained their view of the situation and options before management got tired of hearing her and asked her to leave. Then there was the time “fussing” between when they asked and called the police. I suspect you can add more time “fussing” after the police were called.


85 posted on 01/23/2023 9:49:39 AM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: Fido969

95% of the time, I’ll trust the cops over the comments of Latinka Hancock. But I’m getting old and a bit bitter over the privileged Latinka’s of the world.


86 posted on 01/23/2023 9:50:11 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: JonPreston

“The 911 call to the police, with an accompanying address and details describing the violation suggests those criteria were met.”

Did they get BOTH sides of the story first? Or just act in behalf of the businesses interests only?


87 posted on 01/23/2023 9:51:47 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

Legally supposed to be made right would be defined as what the customer ordered and payed for, not what they want.


88 posted on 01/23/2023 9:52:55 AM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: Mr Rogers

See #33. It is Ohio law...


89 posted on 01/23/2023 9:53:06 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

“I am thinking she was disruptive because the manager refused to make it right and told her to take a hike or he/she would call the cops. I have actually had this happen many times myself.”

Odd. I’m in my 60s and have never had that happen. Including when I made a bit of a scene over bad service. Wonder why that is....


90 posted on 01/23/2023 9:54:03 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: alternatives?

“Legally supposed to be made right would be defined as what the customer ordered and payed for, not what they want.”

Not true, if you ordered and payed up front for a Chevy and they give you a Ford this applies. It applies because he business made you pay up front for a product not yet delivered, doesn’t matter what it is. If they charged AFTER your product was delivered then this would not apply.


91 posted on 01/23/2023 9:56:34 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Sirius Lee

Re: Hamburgular.

That was funny! Thanks!


92 posted on 01/23/2023 9:57:11 AM PST by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Openurmind

“Did they get BOTH sides of the story first? Or just act in behalf of the businesses interests only?”

Who is more likely to be telling the truth? McDonald’s, after prolonged problem with the woman disrupting business, or Latinka?

But cops are not judges. Or juries. If a complaint is made, they arrest on the complaint if there is reason to believe it is valid.


93 posted on 01/23/2023 9:57:33 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Including when I made a bit of a scene over bad service. Wonder why that is....

Uhhhh.... White privilege?

94 posted on 01/23/2023 9:57:38 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Fido969

“White privilege?”

My wife isn’t white, and she’s never had the problem either. Nor do I believe in “white privilege”. There may be something to be said for “white manners”, though....


95 posted on 01/23/2023 9:59:52 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: JonPreston
She was leaving the scene of a criminal trespass & disorderly conduct complaint

Exactly. The police have a legitimate right to arrest for that. Taking her name and issuing a summons is a courtesy, and it is in her interest to comply.

96 posted on 01/23/2023 10:06:36 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: MeganC

I thought it was racist to ask a black for ID. That’s what they tell us re voting.


97 posted on 01/23/2023 10:10:02 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: Mr Rogers

One thing we do not know is if the extra cheese was on the sammich and Latinka thought it wasn’t. I hope the offending sammich was saved as proof. Why they didn’t open the top of that sandwich and slap a cheese on it while she was standing there, we will never know.

It is also possible she was raising more of a ruckus than we know. That said, the cop was wrong for hitting this woman in the head. His days as a cop are over.

He had poor impulse control. I know her mouth was probably loud and moving and he lost control.


98 posted on 01/23/2023 10:10:19 AM PST by dforest (Joy Behar is a big mouth cow.)
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To: dforest
I know her mouth was probably loud and moving and he lost control.

Funny. I am not allowed to "lose control" and hit someone who's mouth is "loud and moving".

If I can't do it, neither can the police.

99 posted on 01/23/2023 10:14:15 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: Openurmind

You don’t have the right to a Lincoln if you paid for a Ford.


100 posted on 01/23/2023 10:26:30 AM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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