Just need moar of these...
Posted on 01/20/2023 8:32:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind
All-electric battery vehicles (BEVs) have become all the rage, particularly with the political class, who see them as a magical means to combat climate change. We know, of course, there is no such thing as magic. But that won’t stop politicians from making proclamations, followed by policies that bring about bad, even destructive, results.
Climate science is highly complex, as the Earth has gone through many warming and cooling periods over billions of years with widely varying amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere long before man arrived on the scene. I have no reason to doubt the global climate is warming, and that humans are significant contributors. But the crusade to end gasoline-powered vehicles by forcing consumers to purchase BEVs is as simpleminded as it is unscientific.
With respect to CO2 emissions, it is true that BEVs, overall, have a distinct emissions advantage over conventional gasoline-powered vehicles. Yet politicians seeking to ban the purchase of conventional gasoline-powered vehicles, as has become law in California beginning in 2035 and soon to be followed in Washington state, Oregon, Massachusetts, and New York, have made the gross mistake of pursuing a policy prescription without thought to the environmental, economic, and logistical issues their policies will create. This is not to say BEVs can’t be a part of combating climate change. But they shouldn’t be the only solution when it comes to vehicle emissions.
In the policy push toward BEVs, little consideration has been given to the benefits of an attractive alternative: hybrid vehicles, which also deliver significantly lower CO2 emissions relative to conventional gasoline-powered vehicles. Hybrid vehicles come in two forms: hybrid electric vehicles (HEVs), such as the well-known Toyota Prius, and plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEVs), such as the Toyota Prius Prime.
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I’ve owned a non-Prius hybrid; but it wasn’t what he calls the ‘PHEV’ type, so the only recharging it gets is from the recovery of energy usually wasted in braking and such. In other words, no juice from wall current, which is the option you get from the PHEV.
The major advantage of the standard traditional hybrid is excellent gas mileage and really good pick-up from a standing start; it’s also really nice not being at all dependent on slow charging facilities (assuming they don’t outlaw gas stations). The major disadvantage is that the batteries don’t last forever, and they’re pricey to replace.
Atmospheric CO 2 follows warming. If anyone wants to arm themselves, purchase or check out the book Inconvenient Facts from the library. CO 2 in the air is a precursor to a great harvest, not catastrophic change.
This entire thing is the sky is falling, chicken little scare craptics.
Just need moar of these...
School bus catches fire with special needs 'kids inside' as nearby windows smash due to blaze
Zero reporting anywhere I can find on the type of vehicle involved.
Firefighters appear to have used water on the fire, but that may not mean much.
If they really want to power transportation electrically, electrify the roads and highways. We could drive hybrids for “offroad”. Gas vehicles on farms and really off roading. Do I think the US could afford this? I say yes, with all the wasted crap on green energy, they can build a Nuclear power plant for about 2 Billion dollars. For the cost of fighting an insane war in Ukraine, we could be building 50 Nuclear plants RIGHT NOW.
Hell, even if we electrified the highways and freeways, it would be both effecient and less expensive. Let cities do it themselves, or they can allow the free market to work, and allow people to install chargers for their commuter EV. More power to them, but LAY OFF MY GAS VEHICLE.
I’m pretty sure the whole article is about hybrids. I didn’t read it because I know all I need to know. Been selling them since 1994.
But. You don’t run out of electricity. They gas engine and motor generators keeps the battery charged. Better gas mileage in City(Toyota) because it will run on electric within certain parameters.
You “charge” it in 5 minutes at a gas station.
I was with Toyota for 26 years. In all that time I saw 1, as in 1, come in with a battery pack issue. So that’s pretty much a non-starter.
Plug in hybrids are great! Because you can, duh, plug them in and run pure electric. Straight hybrids run very limited on battery.
Do not run your hybrid out of gas! Problem.
Hybrids are practical because they don’t rely totally on electricity. The battery is more to help the gas motor. Although they run on both a large percentage of the time.
Lots more. Any questions?
You still have the problem of sourcing raw materials for batteries.
New York State commits to 100% electric school buses by 2035 [Update]
As if property taxes weren't already confiscatory...
“I believe that in cold weather, rural situations, and where there’s a need for all-day, heavy fuel usage a PHEV will make sense.”
And it makes sense in relieving range anxiety and charging time. You can cover everyday driving with the 40-50 miles electric and easily recharge at night. For long trips you can go with gas.
Seems like having both gives you a lot of flexibility and peace of mind - and great gas mileage.
Pretty sure our next car is going to be PHEV.
At &60000 or more per car. No thanks
Simple answer is no
Electric Cars are FUN!......................
Precisely
Agreed
“US CO2 emissions have modestly decreased over the past couple of decades”
This has very little to do with EVs, hybrids or any other transportation vehicle. It has almost entirely to do with the switch from COAL to Natural Gas to produce electricity.
NG was so cheap up until the invasion of Ukraine that producing electricity even in New England was cheaper than the Seabrook Nuclear power plant. That in an area with limited pipeline capacity.
We have more NG in the Marcellus Shale formation than we can burn in the next 200 years. Instead of EV’s we should be building pipelines so that we can run every possible vehicle on Natural Gas.
We bought a new Prius back in 2006, loved it and had no problems with it for 14 years.
Then we moved into a duplex with a one car garage and we wanted to keep our 4 wheel drive vehicle,
so we offered the Prius to our son and his wife who we fully expected to reject it because they like more stylish wheels.
They ultimately took it and found that they can pack as much into it as their SUV for their ski trips to Colorado.
When they went in their SUV the gasoline cost $450 per trip, in the Prius it cost $150 per trip.
All we ever did to the car was put new tires on it. They have only invested in snow tires.
If we wanted to replace our 4 wheel drive Toyota, I would not hesitate to buy a plug-in hybrid Prius.
Without exception, that's true amongst my circle of friends and acquaintances.
Wait till EV’s allow manufacturers to lock up all repairs to their dealers.
We’ve been trending that way for a long time, and ev’s are accelerating it.
I’ll take my good old YJ any day. It’s older then I am, but still very road worthy and is my “daily” currently.
They have to carry both large batteries AND gasoline. Then the price of battery replacement exceeds the value of the car in about eight years. Add that nobody can repair them, even dealerships.
Since trees & plants "breathe" in CO2, someone is not being very green.
The last vehicle I purchased was a PHEV minivan. I spend a lot of time thinking about it and analyzing the cost/benefit. For our particular use case it was the perfect vehicle.
All our short trips and errands around town, plus a lot of idling waiting for kids is done on electric. The battery is small so a level 2 charger in our garage fills up in 2 hours from empty — easily manageable between errands.
For longer trips, including a couple 3000+ mile family vacations, the car works perfectly. No range anxiety, quick fill ups, and plenty of space for passengers and cargo.
For many people who do not have regular access to charging, I can see Hybrids and PHEVs being a good solution, especially since the smaller battery can give you 4-5 vehicles for the same amount of battery as a single BEV.
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