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ATF Issues New Open Letter ‘Clariflying’ Partially Complete (80%) Striker-Fired Semi-Auto Pistol Regulation
The Truth About Guns ^
| 12-28-2022
| John Boch
Posted on 12/29/2022 1:42:01 PM PST by absalom01
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The enemy is very much on the march.
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posted on
12/29/2022 1:42:01 PM PST
by
absalom01
To: absalom01
Can regs/rules be challenged at SCOTUS? This obviously would fail the Bruen test.
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posted on
12/29/2022 1:58:55 PM PST
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: marktwain
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posted on
12/29/2022 1:59:22 PM PST
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: absalom01
80% is pretty arbitrary as well. Can I buy a 75% gun kit?
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posted on
12/29/2022 1:59:54 PM PST
by
smokingfrog
( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
To: absalom01
How about someone bring a case that forces them to define a functional test to determine “readily”? For example, a challenger chooses an employee of their choice from BATFE and if they can’t complete it in 4 hours, it’s not “readily”.
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:01:53 PM PST
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: PROCON
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:02:03 PM PST
by
Joe Brower
("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
To: smokingfrog
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:03:41 PM PST
by
Still Thinking
(Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
To: Still Thinking
That’s the crux of the matter.
The BATFE, under Brandon, has been aggressively pushing regulatory changes that make it impossible to determine in advance what is, and is not legal.
The 80% lower controversy looks utterly reasonable compared to their new definition of what constitutes a “suppressor”. No longer is something defined by its physical properties, but by the “intentions” of the person possessing it.
A grotesque mockery of the rule of law, but that’s cold comfort to the individual caught up in an “enforcement action” by the Federal Government.
Dark times indeed.
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:07:56 PM PST
by
absalom01
(You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
To: All
Where does the "shall not be infringed" come into play here?
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:18:25 PM PST
by
BipolarBob
(The party never stops until someone calls the cops.)
To: BipolarBob
That went away for certain in 1933 if not before.
All the folk who tolerate and even defend the NFA-34 set us up for the current regime and eventual loss of all our RKBA.
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:34:03 PM PST
by
Ex gun maker.
(Free thinking is now a radical concept, I will not be assimilated by PC or EV groupthink!)
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:43:18 PM PST
by
PROCON
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: absalom01
Unfortunate, but “Readily” is true in this case.
Having completed some of these kits I know that the frame portion can be done with a hand file and drill if no better equipment is available.
It takes longer to assemble the parts than to mod the frame with decent equipment.
Then more time to get it to work right.
So not too difficult if you know what you are doing, but could be pretty frustrating for a first timer.
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posted on
12/29/2022 2:47:14 PM PST
by
Ex gun maker.
(Free thinking is now a radical concept, I will not be assimilated by PC or EV groupthink!)
To: Still Thinking
Absolutely it can be challenged. The definition of a receiver is law and the FAT may not change a law with a rule change.
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posted on
12/29/2022 3:51:58 PM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
To: Ex gun maker.
Policy at my house is no 80% kits, no "pistol braces". Frames and lowers get a 4473 before they come home to be assembled. It's not worth the legal entanglement. The SBRs took 6 months to get the tax stamps. The suppressor purchased 3 years ago is still in the FFL's safe. Applied for the tax stamp 8 months ago.
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posted on
12/29/2022 4:09:08 PM PST
by
Myrddin
To: absalom01
No enumerated power for the federal to regulate the possession of arms by the citizens.
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posted on
12/29/2022 4:21:39 PM PST
by
Rurudyne
(Standup Philosopher)
To: absalom01
Saw this earlier today. Unsettling.
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posted on
12/29/2022 4:21:53 PM PST
by
sauropod
(“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
To: absalom01
My favorite LIE from the ATF website “Myths about the AFT.”
“ATF makes the gun laws.
False: Congress makes federal gun laws;”
OH... Since it’s just a “rule” it’s not a law...
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posted on
12/29/2022 4:33:45 PM PST
by
Organic Panic
(Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
To: Still Thinking
Those P80 frames can be finished in under an hour.
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posted on
12/29/2022 4:35:47 PM PST
by
Organic Panic
(Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
To: absalom01
Ghost Guns are legal, 3D printers are cheap, PLA+ filament is strong.
To: absalom01
Langley Outdoors Academy 8 minute clip has a different perspective that the ATF has overreached based on another lawsuit. Not that has ever happened /s.
He does look for subscribers and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxvHbf-uNHU
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posted on
12/29/2022 5:00:34 PM PST
by
grcuster
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