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Fusion confusion: Sorry, We have to throw a little cold water on the recent "breakthrough" in sustainable energy
American Thinker ^ | 12/17/2022 | Mark C. Ross

Posted on 12/17/2022 5:19:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Livermore Lab (LLL) in Northern California has recently gotten a lot of attention.  It was just announced that they finally fused some hydrogen atoms and got more energy out than they put in — a net positive result.  Drew Magary, writing for the San Francisco Chronicle, throws a little cold water on the event by adding that the lasers causing the fusion reaction were powered by electricity generated at way less than perfect efficiency.

hrowing more cold water, I was told by someone who worked on the facility in question that they already had a net positive event about fifteen years ago. I suggested that they might be tooting their horn now in order to get a bump in funding. He agreed.

What's being left out of the discussion is the commercial viability of the whole concept. Some years ago, Scientific American ran an article that compared nuclear power generation to that from natural gas. Building a natural gas generating station is fairly cheap, leaving the cost of fuel as the primary expense for producing electricity. A nuclear plant is particularly expensive to build — while the cost of enriched uranium is insignificant when calculating the bottom line. The amortization of the construction cost over the life span of the facility is the primary expense for nuclear...which is still fairly cost-competitive with gas, coal, and hydro.

This brings us to the possibly immense cost of building a fusion power plant. Magary also mentions the continuing twenty-year time horizon reset. When projecting the real-world implementation of fusion energy, the goal posts are constantly being moved farther and farther away. Now that we know that controlled fusion is possible, making it economically feasible is the true challenge.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Science; Society
KEYWORDS: breakthrough; fusion; nuclearenergy; physics; science; stringtheory
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This is roughly similar to the medieval quest for the philosophers' stone , where the serious scientists of the day were working feverishly to find the right combination of substances to make gold out of lead and achieve eternal life.
1 posted on 12/17/2022 5:19:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Darn. Looks like we’re still 30 years away.


2 posted on 12/17/2022 5:22:08 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (No one is as asleep as the "woke". They define the term "useful idiot".)
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To: SeekAndFind

TANSTAAFL


3 posted on 12/17/2022 5:23:10 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Getting real, nuclear is still going to be the only real cost competative “green” energy source. But people are not serious about climate change, its a false narrative.


4 posted on 12/17/2022 5:24:41 PM PST by Bayard
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To: SeekAndFind

A bit off topic, but did you know the first Harry Potter film was called Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone in the US?
Apparently they thought we were too dim witted to go see Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone.


5 posted on 12/17/2022 5:26:28 PM PST by EEGator
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To: ClearCase_guy

I was supposed to be in a flying car and sleeping with Judy Jetson by now.
Reality is crap.


6 posted on 12/17/2022 5:29:02 PM PST by EEGator
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To: ClearCase_guy
We should probably get started building a Dyson sphere.
That probably won't take much longer than 300 years to build.

What with hauling all of the building materials in from the
asteroid belt, and all...


7 posted on 12/17/2022 5:36:16 PM PST by GaltAdonis
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To: SeekAndFind; All

How exactly does that 2nd Law work?

-fJRoberts-


8 posted on 12/17/2022 5:38:59 PM PST by A strike ("The worse, the better." - V.I.Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: SeekAndFind

Meanwhile LFTR (thorium) is within easy reach, but can’t get funding.


9 posted on 12/17/2022 5:39:30 PM PST by Chad C. Mulligan (CNN)
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To: SeekAndFind

oh crap

im on the waiting list for a mr fusion

and my delorean is not getting any younger


10 posted on 12/17/2022 5:41:19 PM PST by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: SeekAndFind

This. Always. Happens!.


11 posted on 12/17/2022 5:43:13 PM PST by lee martell
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To: EEGator

“I was supposed to be in a flying car and sleeping with Judy Jetson by now.”

You could be flying with a twice divorced Judy Jetson in economy section and sleeping in a car. Now that’s reality for you.


12 posted on 12/17/2022 5:48:43 PM PST by drSteve78 (Je suis Deplorable STILL )
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To: drSteve78

LOL...


13 posted on 12/17/2022 5:49:17 PM PST by EEGator
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To: SeekAndFind
From memory...

The fusion sample released 3 megajoules of energy after being struck by 2 megajoules of laser energy.

Unfortunately, the laser equipment required 300 megajoules of energy to generate 2 megajoules of laser energy.

Just ten years away!

14 posted on 12/17/2022 5:49:19 PM PST by zeestephen (43,000)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Yes it does. When I was in high school in the 70’s, fusion power was 20 years away. Now it's 30. Clearly, time is running backwards! :)
15 posted on 12/17/2022 6:07:27 PM PST by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: EEGator

I was smart enough to NOT see any harry potter nonsense.


16 posted on 12/17/2022 6:13:56 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: EEGator
"Apparently they thought we were too dim witted to go see Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone."


17 posted on 12/17/2022 6:15:16 PM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: ealgeone

Yeah, it only made $7.7 billion...total nonsense.


18 posted on 12/17/2022 6:18:23 PM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

It did. But I didn’t add to the total.


19 posted on 12/17/2022 6:19:15 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: MRadtke

Reminds me of a George Carlin bit...


20 posted on 12/17/2022 6:19:16 PM PST by EEGator
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