The votes are mostly legitimate.
Groups go to dense urban areas and knock on doors:
“Did you fill out your ballot?
“I have one here for you”
“I will wait until you fill it out. Need help?”
Turn around, knock on next door
One person can hit hundreds in a day
These are voters who would not vote by any means. But they are pushed to vote by “independent” groups.
These groups have months to accumulate the mail-in ballots.
We need leadership who knows how to change tactics, not repeat 2016 campaign strategy in 2024.
Is this process open to widespread fraud? Absolutely. But the vast majority of these ballots are almost certainly "legitimate" in the sense that they were mailed out to the correct person and completed/returned correctly.
Anyone who wants to win an election in this environment has their work cut out for them. Stop bitching about the process and figure out how to take advantage of all the ways to make it work in your favor.
They have it down to a science. There are many forks towards the effort, a perfect storm. As far as electronic goes... In 2008 we had a couple hundred web surfers screen shotting results from parties swapping totals during Obama’s run. So they have been practicing this steal since.
Well, lookee here, from this past summer and AZ...
https://patriots.win/p/16ZDzsSKof/arizona-state-legislators-passed/
Arizona state legislators passed Senate Bill 1008 earlier this year.
12 minutes ago by Clabber +5 / -0
The new law increases the automatic recount threshold from one-tenth of 1%, to half of 1%. That means if there are 3 million ballots in a statewide contest, a difference of 15,000 votes between the top two vote-getters would trigger a recount.
https://legiscan.com/AZ/text/SB1008/id/2512942
Someone needs to crowdsource funds/get funding and offer cash rewards that lead to the exposure of vote fraud. Maybe $10k, $100k, $1m depending on the information while the whistleblower remains anonymous.
I haven’t voted in more than a decade because we use to live in Cleveland. The union members could be seen doing their job to steal elections. Drug addicts would also play a role. They would stand at bus/train stops and nag people for signatures. Even if you told them you were already registered to vote, they’d ask you to just sign it anyway. They were given a dollar per signature to pay for their habit.
Part of the problem was the republicans never put forward a real message. McConnell said we didn’t need one since Biden had made such a mess of things. My guess is that McConnell and the others figured that if “Orange Man Bad” was good enough to get basementman elected, “Biden Bad” would work too. They didn’t even consider the possibility of yet another stolen election with ballot harvesting, unmonitored drop boxes, and mail-in ballots.
Actually, they probably knew that “Biden Bad” and the balloting mess would lead to defeat, but they were willing to accept that so they could launch an all out assault against Trump and MAGA.
GOP needs to stop this stupid crap. We used to make fun of how every time the Dems lost they’d complain that the voters “didn’t understand the issues”. Now the GOP bitches every lost election was “stolen”. STOP. For one thing it loses you elections. When you’re up on the podium telling people the election is going to be stolen from you that discourages voters. The GOP lost because their candidates sucked, their campaigns suck, and the GOP sucks. The reason so many of them are close is the same all hold true for the Dems. The first party that stops being the party of whiny worthless %^&*$es will get a super majority.
In reality Biden only got about 40 million votes. Trump won 47-48 states before the fraud kicked in.
Why do certain states take days to count the ballot while others like Florida have the results the next day? It seems that these states always seem to snatch predicted victory for GOP candidates and after several days just enough ballots are “found” to squeak the Democrat candidates to winning. This is BS and it is painfully obvious the fix is in when the count takes days to complete. Maricopa County Arizona should be ground zero for fraud investigations. We must go to paper ballots, ban ballot harvesting, vote by mail and drop boxes. The count should be supervised by armed National Guard troops and not one ballot gets counted late or without supervision. After 2020 US elections have become a joke.
Soon it will seem normal that a retardate is now a Senator elect. Like it was a big deal. Hell they go it down so they could run an inanimate object and still win.
Just bump - trust me
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About the “steal”.
Democrats and the people they represent look at voting, and elections, differently than we do. They believe we have been stealing elections from them for years.
If you don’t get that they believe this, you can’t begin to address the problem.
This was all very clearly laid out in Al Gore’s two suits before the Florida Supreme Court in December 2000. They were never heard because they were (mistakenly) pre-empted by the Bush v. Gore, one of the worst power grabs by the Court, ever.
This all began in the 1770s when Rousseau began to develop the concept of the General Will. The General Will confers legitimacy on governments, equally on Louis XIV or the Committee of Public Safety. It’s democratic, in the sense that most people have to agree or go along to make it work, but it also believes that the common people, les miserables, are too stupid to use arithmetical counting of votes in their own interest.
Therefore: What makes “democracy” work is 1) Count every vote (ballot paper), 2) Stop voter suppression (harvest ballots), 3) Help people to vote the way they would if they were not stupid (mail in ballots, drop boxes), and if, at the end of the day, there just aren’t enough expanded ballots to install the General Will as the government, well then, a little nudging or fudging to do what the voters WOULD HAVE DONE IF THEY KNEW - This is what democracy looks like.
The winners get away with this because they do not have guilty consciences. They believe in “democracy” (they really do, and so do most elected Republicans). Democracy means helping the voters do what they already want to do, or would do if they knew, or what is in their interest even if they don’t know it.
And, they sort of have a point, even if it is distorted. You don’t REALLY believe all those little old Jewish ladies in Palm Beach County meant for Pat Buchanan to become President, do you?