No ‘Pandemic Amnesty,’ We Want Accountability

the Defender Children's Health Defense News & Views ^ | 11/02/22 | Madhava Setty, M.D.

[Qiviut]

An essay by Emily Oster, Ph.D., published this week in The Atlantic suggesting “We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID” is fanning the flames of fury among those whose lives were destroyed by ad hominem attacks, de-platforming, delicensure, demonetization, demonization and debilitating vaccine injuries.

Let’s Declare a Pandemic Amnesty,” an essay in this week’s “Ideas” section of The Atlantic included this subhead: “We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.”

The author of the article, Emily Oster, Ph.D., who teaches economics at Brown University, reflects on the kinds of mistakes “we” made while “we” were in the dark about COVID-19, such as the use of cloth masks outdoors to prevent spread and useless school closures.

She also contends that we now know, in retrospect, some of the vaccines available in this country were better than others.

Oster offers proof the Pfizer and Moderna formulations are superior to Johnson & Johnson’s (J&J) by citing a study published in February in Nature. However, the study did not compare the mRNA vaccines to the J&J formulation, and it didn’t compare any clinical outcomes in those who received the experimental products as she implies.

Why then did Oster quote the study as evidence of the superiority of mRNA vaccines? Was it because of the paper’s title, “mRNA vaccine-induced antibodies more effective than natural immunity in neutralizing SARS-CoV-2 and its high-affinity variants”?

Did she just type “mRNA vaccines are better” into her browser and choose something “sciency” from the search results?

This sort of feeble fact-finding is one reason why so many mainstream journalists and people who accepted their commentaries “were in the dark about COVID.” It is also the reason why her anemic effort to reconcile the litany of blunders in her own sense-making drew immediate criticism and ire.

Yes. We do need to forgive each other in order to move forward — but that will be possible only if we take full account of the mistakes that were made and come to an understanding of why so many people made them.

Sadly, Oster isn’t interested in this level of inquiry and the editors at The Atlantic aren’t either. What happened over the last two-and-a-half years was reprehensible, and her attempt to get to the bottom of things is fanning the flames of fury among those whose lives were destroyed by ad hominem attacks, de-platforming, delicensure, demonetization, demonization and debilitating vaccine injuries.

Oster writes:

“Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

“The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive.

“In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.”

Loyal readers of The Atlantic may find this explanation acceptable. However, for those of us who immediately recognized the pandemic response measures as misguided, fear-churning edicts without precedent or justification, this attempt at reconciliation backfires badly.

The Pfizer vaccine trial report hinted at data manipulation, demonstrated an unacceptably high incidence of serious adverse reactions and used short windows of observation to demonstrate dubious efficacy.

This would have been known to any person, including a journalist writing on scientific topics, who was willing to do their job.

Instead, Oster audaciously frames dissenters as a mix of those who probably got it right for the wrong reasons, had a “prescient understanding of the available information” or had a “hefty element of luck” on their side.

Is this really an effort to help us to move forward? Or is it instead a masterclass on how to gaslight a large and growing swath of our population who attempted to point out the futility of governmental edicts, the lack of rigorous testing of experimental therapeutic interventions and the life-saving benefit of cheap and safe early treatment protocols?

She’s right about one thing. Getting things wrong during a time of uncertainty was not a “moral failing.” The moral failure occurred whenever people in her position of uncertainty ruthlessly attacked anyone who happened to get it right — something she fails to mention in her circumspect musings of the breakdown of sense-making that we witnessed over the last 30 months.

Yes, Dr. Oster, this is not about racking up points on a scoreboard — this is about people’s lives and livelihoods that were devastated by measures that your publication chose to support without any evidence or inquiry.

Nevertheless, I can see why you are reluctant to keep score. Here’s a small sample of the hundreds of COVID-19-related articles published in The Atlantic over the past two years:

• “The Urgency of Vaccinating Kids”
• “Pregnant? Breastfeeding? The Vaccine Might Protect You and Your Baby”
• “America Is Now in the Hands of the Vaccine-Hesitant”
• “Don’t Be Surprised When Vaccinated People Get Infected”
• “There Are Other Options Besides Reopening Schools”
• “Listen: The Empty Promise of Vitamins”
• “When Your Family Spreads Misinformation”
• “Refusing to Wear a Mask Is an Empty Act of Defiance”
• “Did Trump Really Take Hydroxychloroquine?”
• “Social Distancing Is Not Enough”

The themes are all too common: The unvaccinated are driving the pandemic, schools should remain closed, vaccines are beneficial in pregnancy, there is an urgent need to vaccinate children, remaining maskless is a sign of defiance and not common sense, just because vaccinated people get sick too doesn’t mean they aren’t working, only President Trump would use a proven antiviral against a virus, etc., etc.

Though Oster would like to think that monumental mistakes were excusable because of how little was known, hematologist and professor of public health at the University of California San Francisco, Vinay Prasad, M.D., M.P.H. summarizes the real issues, the structures and practices that led to ineffective and deleterious policies over the last two years. Many of these issues were in play from the start of the pandemic as they are today.

Prasad writes in his Substack:

“The COVID-19 pandemic resulted in many bad policies being implemented. We need accountability so that we never institute these policies again. Let me enumerate some structural solutions

1. The person who heads the National Institutes of Health funding (or any of the Institutes) should not be setting federal policy. Either decide who gets funded, or set policy, you can’t do both. It’s a problematic dual role. Nobody will want to criticize you because they’ll fear retribution with funding.
2. With novel scientific problems, and unprecedented responses, you need to have a series of public debates. I didn’t sign the Great Barrington declaration, but I can read it today and know that no one was closer to the truth about schools than the authors. At the same time they were demonized by Fauci and Collins, who called them Fringe epidemiologists. This was inappropriate. In times of crisis, we need to have big debates in academic institutions. We should not silence or censor people. We need to foster disagreement, not stifle it.
3. The Federal government, and anyone who works for it, should never be telling social media companies who they should throw off the platform. This is absolutely unacceptable.
4. Social media platforms should never try to regulate discussion around scientific issues. They do not have the expertise in-house to decide what is truth or fiction. Censorship is a fool’s errand.
5. If you institute sweeping policies in response to a threat, those policies should be time limited. If you don’t generate evidence within a certain period of time, those policies will end.
6. If you want to subject children to restrictions, you need to show in cluster randomized fashion that those restrictions improve outcomes for children and beyond, otherwise, you need to lose your powers.
7. In rare circumstances, we can approve drugs or vaccine products based on preliminary evidence. But before we institute perennial booster campaigns, we need robust evidence of net clinical benefit.
8. The US Food and Drug Administration needs to be run by impartial experts, and not puppet-ted by the White House. Peter Marks should resign.
9. If you work for the FDA, CDC, or as the White House COVID czar, you should be banned from working in the private sector for a period of time of 5 years. We cannot have revolving door politics.
10. Mandating vaccines or other medical products is a bold move, and should never happen if those products cannot halt transmission. If there is no benefit to third parties, mandates are unjust. Even if there are benefits, one should be careful about such policies.
11. Vaccine makers should not be shielded from litigation for vaccine adverse events. People who mandate vaccines should also be subject to litigation. In America, the only retribution is litigation. If you mandate a booster in a 26-year-old man and he has myocarditis, he should be able to sue the s*** out of you.
12. The CDC needs to separate itself into two groups of people. People who do data collection, who collect real accurate data and real time and make them publicly available in real time, and people who devise policy. The two groups should not be the same. The second group should not be running MMWR. That should be a neutral journal run by third parties.
13. In times of crisis, academics who participate in public dialogue on response should be given emergency tenure. We need to encourage people to make bold arguments and not discourage them. We did not reward the courageous, we encouraged cowardice. This is unacceptable.
14. Any worker fired for not taking a covid-19 vaccine should be rehired, and back pay instituted. This was unethical and wrong.
15. News companies should not pick experts from Twitter. This is a recipe to put idiots on your television. The White House should then not pick experts from television, who were put on television because of Twitter.
16. There needs to be an independent commission to investigate the origins of the virus.
17. If you’re the editor of a major scientific journal, you can’t be writing openly partisan op-eds and/or tweeting openly partisan content.
18. Anyone who read the literature knew that cloth masks were not recommended for community use because data were weak. And anyone who said otherwise was lying. Particularly those people who overemphasize the gains. If they work in positions of power, they should be terminated for those lies to the American people.”

Oster, on the other hand, offers no suggestions as to how to move forward beyond forgiving and forgetting. We can thus predict that when faced with future uncertainty she and those of her ilk will do exactly what they did last time — follow their crowd, ask no questions, attack those who do and demand forgiveness in the aftermath.

Of all the missteps made by mainstream journalism and those who followed in lockstep with their narratives, the gravest remains unexplored in Oster’s article. Perhaps we can excuse an economist for her inability to interpret a study on the immunogenicity of mRNA vaccines, or even the editor of The Atlantic for carelessly publishing her conclusions anyway

However, if Oster is admitting that there was so much uncertainty at the start of the pandemic, why did The Atlantic level such criticism against those who dissented?

Here is a handful of commentaries published in The Atlantic in the spring of 2020, when they were apparently in the dark:

• “Listen: The Comforting Appeal of Conspiracy Theories”
• “We Don’t Even Have a COVID-19 Vaccine, and Yet the Conspiracies Are Here”
• “If Someone Shares the ‘Plandemic’ Video, How Should You Respond?”
• “The Coronavirus Conspiracy Boom”
• “Here’s How to Fight Coronavirus Misinformation”

Using pejoratives like “conspiracy theory” or “misinformation” to denigrate opposing viewpoints and those who hold them requires a very high degree of certainty in your own position.

How then can Oster use uncertainty to excuse things that were said and done when she and others were in the dark?

To be fair, Oster is not responsible for all of the missteps and biased content offered by The Atlantic. However she, like many others, ought to take a hard look at why she accepted this kind of polarizing commentary as gospel and treated skeptics as heretics, or at the very least, tacitly approved the witch-hunts by doing and saying nothing.

In this country, we rely solely on a free and independent press to inform the populace, especially at a time of uncertainty. If so little was known at the time, why didn’t The Atlantic acknowledge this fact and present more than one position?

Individuals fall on a broad spectrum. Some are prone to jumping to conclusions prematurely, others remain stubbornly steadfast in their positions despite enormous evidence to the contrary. We expect more from those with a platform.

We depend on media organizations and the journalists that work for them to report the facts accurately, especially when only a few exist. In that sense, in those times we rely upon them more to point out what cannot be known than what can.

The only possible justification for this relentless one-sided commentary that defended foolish policy, divided communities and families and resulted in inestimable damage to children is that it was done, as Oster says, “in earnest for the good of society”.

But that isn’t the role of an independent press. Every element of a free society has a role to play for the common good. Scientists who are qualified to comment on complicated topics should be free to express their opinions. Our agencies of public health are required to make sensible policies and openly defend them against their critics.

Publications like The Atlantic that shape public discourse are instrumental in ensuring that all views are explored on their own merit so that they can be discussed and fairly critiqued, especially those that are critical of governmental overreach.

They failed, and they failed monumentally. And to date, they have given us little reason to doubt that they will fail again.

The pandemic has taught us many lessons, but the biggest one is that we now know what highly influential media publications like The Atlantic really are. They are our authority’s strong arm when it comes to exacting its power and its diplomatic envoy when it comes to asking for forgiveness.

No, we aren’t gloating. But we are keeping score.

[BrandtMichaels]

Have to drop an ‘e’ but,

mostly ire

[grey_whiskers]

mostly ire

Not bad!

[Betty Jane]

No amnesty ever for these people. This was a crime of unsurpassed magnitude visited on the American people as well as people all around the world. The politicians, bureaucrats of the FDA, DHS, CDC, NIH, FBI, and more, Pharmaceutical company personnel, big tech censors, media, CEO’s, HR department personnel, teacher’s union personnel, all must be tried for their crime against all of humanity. They are personally and professionally responsible for millions of deaths around the world.

They must resign their positions never to work where they have any influence or authority of the public again. The biggest and most powerful of the offenders must have the death penalty on the table. Tribunals should be held and punishment meted out swiftly. Then, and only then, can we talk forgiveness.

[grey_whiskers]

https://usawatchdog.com/cv19-vax-destroys-hearts-brains-of-billions-of-people-dr-sucharit-bhakdi/

[Qiviut]

New Study: Pretty Much Everyone Is Getting Heart Damage From The COVID Vaccines!

https://rumble.com/v1p4u1v-new-study-pretty-much-everyone-is-getting-heart-damage-from-the-covid-vacci.html

[Jane Long]

…. This means the gene that the perpetrators injected into billions of people reach the vessels of the brain and the heart. They are killing people. They are killing people in the most terrible, terrifying and tormenting way.”

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Thank you for posting the link to the interview with Dr Bhakdi.

One of the first to warn about these terrible $hots.

Just awful what they are seeing. As he says, a “criminal hoax”.

[metmom]

An essay by Emily Oster, Ph.D., published this week in The Atlantic suggesting “We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID”

They were never “in the dark” about Covid.

What they did was deliberate and malfeasance.

They can “forgive” each other. The rest of us want justice.

[metmom]

Excellent articles.

Thanks for posting.

Interesting questions arise though.

Does forgiveness preclude justice? Just because we forgive, does that mean there should be no consequences for their actions, or that we do not hold them accountable?

Or are we just supposed to move on like they’d want and pretend like none of this ever happened? That they can just get on with life with a callous disregard for what they inflicted on everyone else.

It always aggravates me when the person doing the wrong demands forgiveness and then makes the person wronged the bad guy for not being “forgiving”. All they are looking for is a clear conscience and escape from the consequences of their actions. But to demand it? That’s not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness is freely given by the wronged party, not an obligation to be fulfilled to the perp by the victim that the perp can demand of them. What they are then demanding is injustice, an escape from the consequences or penalty of their wrong doing. That’s not forgiveness.

I think that this may be the big issue with people forgiving others. The thought that by forgiving them means there are no consequences, no accountability, no resolution, no nothing except ignoring what happened like it didn’t. And does demanding justice mean that forgiveness didn’t happen?

Thoughts? Because those are some of the things I wrestle with in forgiving others.

[metmom]

Well done.

[Billthedrill]

OK, extreme language warnings on this one - you want rage? Razorfist, the most suspended guy on YooToob, says exactly what I'm feeling. Do not click if you're easily offended.

Do Not Forget, Do Not Forgive

[Jan_Sobieski]

The global collection of welfare states have a perverse incentive to ensure their constituents do not live to retirement / pensioner age. This coordinated effort will not be the last…

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled No ‘Pandemic Amnesty,’ We Want Accountability, metmom wrote:

Excellent articles.

Thanks for posting.

Interesting questions arise though.

Does forgiveness preclude justice? Just because we forgive, does that mean there should be no consequences for their actions, or that we do not hold them accountable?

Or are we just supposed to move on like they’d want and pretend like none of this ever happened? That they can just get on with life with a callous disregard for what they inflicted on everyone else.

It always aggravates me when the person doing the wrong demands forgiveness and then makes the person wronged the bad guy for not being “forgiving”. All they are looking for is a clear conscience and escape from the consequences of their actions. But to demand it? That’s not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness is freely given by the wronged party, not an obligation to be fulfilled to the perp by the victim that the perp can demand of them. What they are then demanding is injustice, an escape from the consequences or penalty of their wrong doing. That’s not forgiveness.

I think that this may be the big issue with people forgiving others. The thought that by forgiving them means there are no consequences, no accountability, no resolution, no nothing except ignoring what happened like it didn’t. And does demanding justice mean that forgiveness didn’t happen?

Thoughts? Because those are some of the things I wrestle with in forgiving others.

I genuinely tried to be concise in my reply, but my answer exploded into a long ramble that I ended up placing in an old Festival. Enter at your own risk or save yourself and scroll on by without stopping, no questions asked!  :D

I will say here though, God loves justice! :D

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4089945/posts?page=1947#1947

 

[Qiviut]

Not as bad (language) as I anticipated. Boy, can he talk fast! I’m of his opinion at a minimum.

[Elsie]

"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

[Elsie]

Thoughts??

[Elsie]

Forgiveness is freely given by the wronged party, not an obligation to be fulfilled to the perp by the victim that the perp can demand of them.

Well...

Here is the raw text:

Matthew 6:14-15 says, "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins" (NIV).

How we go about actually doing it is not spelled out.

[Qiviut]

I hear no remorse, just excuses for why people who have committed premeditated murder, who have ruined the health & lives of fellow human beings, who have destroyed a good part of our country’s economy, who have breached the sanctity of bodily autonomy, denied people their rights and freedoms, after “never again” did & still are “doing it again” by experimenting on people without fully informed consent & major portion of the medical community has and still are violating their Hippocratic oath to “do no harm”.

Yet no remorse and I have yet to hear or get a single apology, much less anything close to ‘sincere’. At this point, forgiveness is off the table and I am generally a very forgiving person. In fact, my heart was significantly ‘hardened’ by Oster’s article. Until there is accountability at a minimum, not to mention ‘justice’, I feel no obligation to grant ‘forgiveness’, especially to people who want to say ‘move along, there’s nothing to see’ in the smoking wreckage of people’s lives over the last two years. Would they do it again? You betcha’ they would.

I refuse to let them further ruin my life by ‘hating’ & turning my own soul into charred & blackened ashes, but there is righteous anger & that I do confess to having. No, ‘forgiveness’ is a LONG way down the road & will not be forthcoming because it’s being demanded by the guilty parties.

[Ahithophel]

"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

Despite everything else it says, the Good Book never takes vengeance off the table; sobering.

[Fury]

A group of people where I work who were/are very pro-vax and indeed mandatory vax, are not apologizing for anything. To them, the un-vaxxed are the reason that COVID-19 is still a problem.

[Qiviut]

It’s not the unvaxed who are the problem, it’s vaxing with a leaky “vax” during a pandemic that causes variants & thus perpetuates COVID. They’re ignorant, many willfully so at this point.

If they won’t ‘make peace’ with you, they better make peace with their Maker. Over 90$ of those dying of COVID in hospitals are triple vaxed. Just heard that stat yesterday.

If you are not jabbed, just know that you are on “the invisible ark” ....