Posted on 10/20/2022 3:12:29 AM PDT by RandFan
@mariatad
A second audio from Berlusconi has leaked in which he is heard saying «Ukraine violated the Minsk deal, Zelenskiy tripled attacks on Donbas and pushed Putin to a special operation» that was supposed to last a week but escalated after the West sent money and weapons to Kyiv. 1/
Berlusconi says he’d rather not say out loud what he thinks about Zelenskiy. Then continues: «I don’t see how Putin and Zelensky can talk. Unless there’s an intervention, the war won’t end» worth noting this is a private conversation where Berlusconi asks for maximum discretion.
Berlusconi - personally - and Forza Italia - generally - now on damage control saying the leaked audios were taken out of context and are part of a longer conversation. But the recordings are now national scandal and puts Forza Italia in uncomfortable position for two reasons:
Forza Italia is part of the EPP - same as Von der Leyen - who is one of the most vocal supporters of Ukraine - and the Italian government itself is up in the air. Meloni, the incoming premier, has said her foreign policy would stick to Draghi’s supportive stance.
(Excerpt) Read more at twitter.com ...
Shhhhhh! Some here will take offense at certain truths...
A pol’s stated (and acted on) position is worth noting.
Otherwise, people—including Freepers—tend to fill in the blanks with what they want to be true.
GMTA
Moron doesn't understand the can of worms you're opening. Ignore international laws and borders, nuclear countries, like China, can invade neighbors with impunity for territorial expansion, just use threats of nuclear blackmail. There is a reason the West is united against Putin's invasion.
LOL, and aren't you the idiot who denies Putin has threatened using nuclear weapons?
“As shown by this post, what they say in PUBLIC is not necessarily how they feel or what they believe.”
Similar to pipelines. “We don’t know who did it, could be Russia, I guess...” LOL.
The question here is why is Europe allowing themselves to be reduced to vassal states of the US? What threats did the Neocons make to the leaders of Europe if they didn’t do as told? I realize that some of their leaders are into this stuff - sticking it to Russia whenever possible, regardless of what it leads to, but what of the others - since when was ANYONE able to silence Berlusconi? What level of threats have been imposed on him?
rrrod is in the gang of folks that drool over Zelensky and could care less about unaccountable billions in cash and equipment being sent to a place that serves no interest to the USA, other than to launder money.
Those weapons are being used to destroy Putin's warmaking ability at zero cost to American lives, before he triggers a war with a NATO country.
You can’t discount the impact of the Greens, who control the levers of power in several countries, prominently in Germany, for example, via their “traffic light” (Red-Yellow-Green) power sharing coalition.
If the Greens bolt, the govt falls. So on energy, the Greens have a veto.
And at their core, this is what the Greens believe: “We have to destroy the economy to save the planet.”
I first heard this stated with giggles on NPR, between a “science” host and a “climate” guest.
“We have to destroy the economy to save the planet.”
Europeans suffering and freezing is just a necessary price to pay to finally get Europe off of evil nasty fossil fuels.
The Greens actually welcome what is coming.
And why would they start shelling the their own territory and people? Inquiring minds want to know, mcgruff? Did the big bad Ukrainians woke up one day in 2014 and said: “Let’s bomb some parts of our beloved Ukraine, just for the hell of it? Is it what really happened, historian mcgruff?
And another one. The Zelensky Sycophant legion continues to grow.
Zero cost to American lives. Folks like you and the rest can’t see past the ends of your collective noses.
On a side note, given that they’re now reporting that 30% of Ukraine’s power plants are off line and that number will grow, heading into winter, what’s next General tlozo?
That’s waaaayyyyyycccciiiisssstttt!!
Well surrender monkey, unlike you, Ukrainian's are willing to fight and die, and yes suffer, for their freedom until Russians gtfo.
Sure they are. You know that how? CNN told you?
So, the very same media that told you covid will kill you if you even look at someone that is positive, Clinton is going to win by the largest margin ever, Biden is competent and there’s nothing wrong with the economy, is 100% on point with all of the reporting you seem to suck up as the Gospel.
Surrender Monkey...nahhh. Just someone that realizes that Zelensky was installed by the obama administration, has committed atrocities against folks that live in Ukraine but support Russia and that he’s nothing but a corrupt lying POS, that doesn’t deserve any help.
All of you talk about how Putin will start to take over Europe. Can Europe not stand on its own 2 feet after 7 decades of being protected by the USA? If he attacks a NATO country, then sure, the US can help. Although I think it’s time to have the US pull out of NATO, anyway. Most of the countries in it hate the US so let them stand on their own.
And if you think there isn’t a good chance that US troops won’t get sucked in, you’re dreaming.
The FR uke trolls won’t be happy.
“And at their core, this is what the Greens believe: “We have to destroy the economy to save the planet.””
Considering their ROCK SOLID support for the Ukraine War, I think it’s more like:
“We have to destroy MOST OF HUMANITY to save the planet.”
Zelensky was elected in 2019 during the Trump administration
Installed by Obama bureaucrats that ran the State Dept.
Lol, some people can never admit they are wrong. Zelensky won overwhelmingly in 2019 with 73% of the vote during the Trump's Presidency, but according to you it was an Obama bureaucrat that 'installed' him. Okay. Whatever
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