Posted on 09/25/2022 8:19:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
What are the implications of purchasing an electric vehicle (E.V.)? Let's find out.
A new full-size E.V. capable of traveling about 300 miles with a single charge currently sells for about $60,000. Typical E.V. battery replacement after 3–5 years of normal use sells for $10,000–$15,000. This type lithium battery replacement is handled only by an authorized dealership. On the other hand, a new full-size gas vehicle (G.V.) sells for approximately $40,000. Typical battery replacement for the same normal use sells for $100–$150 and can be replaced and installed by the individual owner.
Let's consider the cost of ownership of driving a vehicle 100,000 miles. For the E.V., an 8-hour charge, which is good for a range of about 300 miles, is now about $8 per charge, or about $2,700. The E.V. cost includes a $60,000 initial cost plus the $2,700 charging cost and a $10,000 battery, totaling $72,700. For the G.V., the cost includes $40,000 initial cost plus $300 battery (2) replacements and 4,000 gallons of gasoline, averaging 25 miles per gallon at current gas price of $3.50 per gallon, or $14,000, and $2,000 maintenance, which totals $56,300.
It follows that the price for gasoline would have to be about $7.60 per gallon for ownership cost of the E.V. to be equivalent to that of a traditional G.V. These numbers are part of the hidden truths.
A typical E.V. battery weighs one thousand pounds and is about the size of a car trunk. It contains 25 pounds of lithium; 60 pounds of nickel; 44 pounds of manganese; 30 pounds of cobalt; 200 pounds of copper; and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. This type of battery contains over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells. The majority of these materials are derived from mining operations worldwide.
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for $26K, i could drop a hella crate motor in my rig...
The bit about the diesel not causing more pollution than my model 3 is BS. Assume the production of both causes about the same amount of pollution...my car doesn’t have any emissions at all.
Now to the article...it says the average battery has to be replaced in 3 to 5 years...more like 15 plus!
I will also point out that I also own a 1979 f350 crewcab diesel dually. So I don’t need your help rolling coal!
The bit about the diesel not causing more pollution than my model 3 is BS. Assume the production of both causes about the same amount of pollution...my car doesn’t have any emissions at all.
Now to the article...it says the average battery has to be replaced in 3 to 5 years...more like 15 plus!
I will also point out that I also own a 1979 f350 crewcab diesel dually. So I don’t need your help rolling coal!
RE: The starter battery in an IC is just a fraction of the opex of the vehicle.
Sure, But the cost of a new battery on top of the EV’s purchase price is a non-starter for many people.
And if you need to replace the battery, EVs also have to be torn down to replace the battery because EV batteries are spread out to prevent the battery from overheating. They aren’t just a big cube under the hood.
Replacement batteries aren’t kept around in a warehouse like parts for standard vehicles are so a replacement battery may not be available at all. Link below to a Florida family’s EV nightmare.
Link below to a Florida family’s EV Nightmare:
I think they’ve understated the life of the EV battery by a bit.🤔
From comments I’ve read on other websites from happy EV owners, there are the following advantages:
They’re great for short commutes, provided you have the capability to charge at home.
The EV may go 200K miles w/o battery replacement.
It takes 15 to 30 minutes to achieve an 80 % charge.
A 120/125v charger can be used, but will take longer.
There are free charging stations available, 15 minutes, while shopping at the provider’s store.
They can be used for long trips, and w/ GPS, charging stations can be easily found.
GM was providing a cash incentive for charging station installation with the purchase of an EV (truck, I believe).
Of course, there other issues that must be considered.
Home charging unit installation on an existing home can range from less than $1000 up to $50,000, depending on location, available service, work requirement, etc. But is unavailable, if one lives in an apartment.
The US Govt & the state of California have battery life warranty requirements.
https://joinyaa.com/guides/ev-battery-warranties/
The link provides that information, and also uses battery capacity retention, a limiting factor regarding battery power availabilty.
Free charging stations are analogous to free air for tires (and free water for radiators & batteries).
The demand for charging will create a cost.
You can get 300 miles on a 100% charge, which means that on long trips, one can expect to make several stops. I have seen charging stations readily available, but that will change as there are more EV’s.
The other factor to consider are your tires.
They run through tires faster than conventional vehicles.
See here:
https://cleanfleetreport.com/tech-why-dont-tires-last-as-long-on-an-ev/
Regular tires wear out roughly 20% faster on an EV than on an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle. Many EVs today come with specialized tires, but even these typically need more frequent changes than traditional versions.
EVs need special tires because they put more pressure on them than ICE vehicles. First of all, EVs are heavier. Ford’s F-150 Lightning weighs 1,600 pounds more than a similar conventional F-150. This extra weight, which comes mainly from heavy batteries, means tires have to deal with more resistance as they drive.
Electric motors also deliver more torque than their gas and diesel counterparts. Torque delivery is also instantaneous in an EV, placing immediate and heavy pressure on the car’s tires as the driver presses the accelerator. EV tires typically feature better grip to deal with this torque, but that friction comes at the cost of faster wear and tear.
These have to factor in when we do cost comparisons.
From comments I have read, comments on why you would not want to buy an EV at this time:
The source power is primarily from fossil fuel based power plants. That, combined with efficiencies lost in power transmission and the horrible environmental impact of the mining of minerals for the batteries, offset any positive “green” impact.
Lithium-Ion batteries are not environmentally friendly nor particularly safe. They have a tendency to spontaneously combust, which is a bad thing to have happen to your car in general, worse when it is parked in your garage.
Towing drastically lowers range.
Cold drastically lowers range.
Running the air conditioning drastically lowers range.
Apps that help you locate charging stations do not always inform you of the operational status of the charging station nor the number of people waiting to charge at said station.
Road trips are particularly impractical.
If over 20% of current ICE vehicles are replaced with EVs most of the power grids in the nation would be overwhelmed. The cost of upgrading these grids is in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
EVs are particularly “connected” leading many to believe that pushing them is nothing more than a backdoor to more government control and monitoring of individual transportation.
EVs will be more practical when the grid upgraded and powered primarily by nuclear, hydro-electric, geothermal, solar and wind and when EV batteries are made of graphene and the range is 500+ miles with a recharge time in your home of less than 10 minutes.
Really ? What scientists, and when did they debate this ?
Take a million tons of dinosaurs. Bury the in soil and leave for a million years until the minerals in the soil replace all the calcium (bones) with other minerals in the soil. (That is how a FOSSIL is made).
Now, leave those fossils buried for millions of years. How much OIL will be produced by those fossils ?
NONE !
It is not possible to produce oil from an actual fossil.
It is possible to produce oil from the decaying matter of ANY life form on Earth. Including humans. It would be more accurate to call it HUMAN OIL than to call it FOSSIL OIL.
Bottom line: OIL is produced from the DEAD REMAINS of LIFE forms that have inhabited Earth.
It's attributable to the generally higher accelerations of EVs.
The driver depresses the accelerator, and so is subconsciously "braced" for the high acceleration - and thus less subject to nausea.
[...] and is unknown if those in the back seats will get hit by it.
If they are quick, they should be able to avoid the stream of vomitus coming at them from the occupant of the front passenger seat.
Regards,
Not mentioned is these are current EV battery prices. In the future when the demand goes up and the supply goes down the batteries could be 3-10 times more expensive.
I don’t get it, if demand goes up, shouldn’t there be incentives for supplies to keep up with it?
The above analysis makes sense but not to the likes of Al Gore, AOC, Biden and the climate change crowd. The world has to understand that something much more sinister is behind this thinking and that it will require a violent upheaval to rescue our society from certain environmentally induced doom. A global civil war is almost unavoidable for the middle class to survive.
It is not even established that “fossil fuels” are the result of fossil chemical decomposition.
70,500 miles? Yikes.
Solution to WHAT?
Anthropogenic "climate change" is a scam, a fraud, and a lie.
So what "problem" are you trying to solve?
Really? You’re not aware of the capitalist supply and demand economic system?
Take baby formula for instance. Right now there is far more demand than supply so one can that lasts just a week to feed a baby is now $56. Amazingly I can’t find a chart to show how much that price has risen by year. Looks like it’s being scrubbed from the Internet.
Bottom line is price is always dictated by the supply and demand. When the demand outstrips the supply the cost goes up. You can have all the “incentives” you like but if the supply is what it is the price will go up.
Also, the cost of electricity is about 22 cents per kilowatt-hour, so a Tesla which has a 100kwh battery requires $22 to charge not $8. There is also some waste heat in the charger so it’s probably $25 to charge. A small car with a 10 gallon tank at $2.5 a gallon can go 300 miles for $25, a Camry has a combined mpg of 33. Nothing miraculous about the cost/range of a Tesla.
Without 3rd world slave pits the cost of owing a battery car would go waaaaaay up.
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