Not at all. Done all the time. What was deceitful was your implying it was not done.
Posted on 09/13/2022 9:40:12 AM PDT by Red Badger
California lawmakers have passed a measure cracking down on the future sales of new gasoline cars. The rules call for the ban of new gas-powered cars by 2035, with target guidelines to phase out the cars in increments. It is the first ban of its kind, and states nationwide are expected to enact similar policies.
David Popp is a professor in the Public Administration and International Affairs Department in Syracuse University's Maxwell School. Popp's research interests are in environmental policy and the economics of technological change. Much of his research focuses on the links between environmental policy and innovation, with a particular interest in how environmental and energy policies shape the development of new technologies that may be relevant for combatting climate change.
Popp says, "While I support efforts to increase the use of electric vehicles, I worry that an all-out ban on gasoline-powered vehicles would be going too far. Electric vehicles are great for day-to-day commutes, for example, but many consumers are still concerned about the lack of range batteries have for a family road trip. The California policy appears to provide some leeway by allowing hydrogen powered vehicles. But hydrogen vehicles are still an expensive option and fueling stations are limited.
"Whether manufacturers will work to improve the viability of hydrogen vehicles is not clear. The cost of producing hydrogen fuel is a limiting factor, which requires investments from energy producers as well. Automakers have already committed to producing more electric vehicles. A mandate like this helps reassure them that there will be a market for these vehicles. Improvements are likely, but limits on range and charging time may be difficult technical challenges to overcome. It does appear that plug-in hybrid vehicles would be allowed under the California regulation. If so, that could provide an alternative for consumers concerned about range, assuming manufacturers choose to make such vehicles available.
"The 17 states that currently follow California's vehicle emissions standards face a challenging choice. A policy change like this cannot be adopted in a vacuum. New charging infrastructure will need to be built, particularly for people who don't live in single-family homes and can simply plug in a vehicle when they return home. Charging infrastructure will also be needed along interstates and other places where drivers may go on longer road trips. Will states not participating upgrade their infrastructure as well? Additional charging stations mean new electric grid capacity will be needed. For consumers choosing hydrogen vehicles, refueling stations need to be built. And there is no guarantee hydrogen is a clean fuel. Hydrogen can be produced using renewable energy, but it can also be made using fossil fuels.
"Any state choosing to follow California's lead will must be prepared to make the necessary investments to make electric and hydrogen vehicles work in their states. Simply mandating their sale will not be enough."
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That’s the one that really took out Mexico Beach, right?
V-TWIN answered my question.
There was a great pic of where someone in MB had done a knockdown rebuild with a modern code, poured in place reinforced concrete structure. That house, and maybe 2-3 in its lee were still present after Michael, the rest of the neighborhood was leveled.
“Did you know every single Tesla made has been recalled? “
Many of those were very minor and many were OTA updates. Tesla cars are very advanced. Musk wants his customers to have the latest.
Here is an interesting one:
The next recall is significantly larger. 595,717 Tesla models ranging from the Tesla Model S to the Model Y will be fixed with an OTA update. You may remember that back in December of 2020, Tesla rolled out the “Boombox” feature, allowing owners to customize various sounds throughout their cars, from the sound the car makes while driving to the horn’s honk.
The NHTSA says that some of these sounds can interfere with mandatory warning systems in the car, a violation of safety regulations. As such, pretty much every Tesla on the road needs the update to bring the cars back into compliance. Thankfully, owners will simply have to wait for the update to roll out with the remedy.
A February update prohibited drivers from using the software while the car was in drive, neutral, or reverse
“and the electric companies aren’t putting up charging stations because??? why is it always the taxpayers...”.
Private companies are installing charging networks.
that’s the way it should be, but, tell me CA taxpayers won’t pay for this...
“Charging infrastructure will also be needed along interstates and other places where drivers may go”
and one of the towns in the valley just put one in at village expense, so it does happen
“Entire forests of old growth pines, 2 and 3 feet thick”
NOT old growth. Those pines were planted by St. Joe Paper and are harvested before getting close to 3 feet thick.
St Joe Paper also clear-cut millions of acres of old growth forest, engaging in silviculture to replant the areas with slash pine. The practice decimated the native longleaf pine stands, reducing the species to “2 percent of its former range.” Because of this, the United States Department of the Interior designated parts of the region a Critically Endangered Ecosystem.[7]
“Not if they don’t sell.”
Tesla can’t make them fast enough. Back ordered
Ford had to increase production lines for the F-150 Lightning due unexpected number of orders.
“so it does happen”
But not “always”
“If a 5 is anywhere near coming at you get away as far and as fast as you possibly can...................”
Both my brother and sister rode it out in their houses.
We had invited my brother and sister and husband to come here but all said they would ride it out.
Both had roof damage from trees but no major wind damage. My brother lost water due to a tree uprooting and pulling the PVC coupling apart on his water main.
Of course power and cable were out.
Main Verizon tower was taken down but he kept in touch with neighbor’s T-Mobile.
Thus PC became one of the first Verizon 5G cities.
“And to store enough of it to do useful things, it must be stored a high pressures.”
Some facts:
Hydrogen can be stored as a liquid.
Hydrogen can be stored as a metal hydride.
It can also be stored underground.
“Did you know China makes more cars than the rest of the world combined?”
I am really struggling with how that makes me “on the wrong side of the issue”.
Liquid hydrogen is cryogenic, its boiling point is approximately 20 Kelvin. For reference, Kelvin scale is absolute; room temperature is around 295 K. LH2 is "stored" (I use the term loosely) in vacuum insulated dewars, and boils off at a rate of approximately 1% of the container's rated capacity per day. Your statement is technically true, but highly deceptive. Shame on you.
It can also be stored underground.
Lots of things can be stored underground. LH2 will still boil off at 1% per day ...
TG, you're trying to put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. Hydrogen is not an energy source, nor is it a particularly good energy transfer medium. It has some utility as rocket fuel, for reasons very specific (as in impulse) to rocketry and not applicable terrestrial locomotion.
Have a nice day.
Not at all. Done all the time. What was deceitful was your implying it was not done.
” boils off at a rate of approximately 1% of the container’s rated capacity per day.”
For tanker trucks. Properly designed storage tanks are seeing 0.2% loss per day.
Now you’re going to put cryogenics in cars? Really?
LOL
Have you ever been around real world mechanics? Do you have an engineering background at all?
Thank you! And see my previous.
I “implied” nothing, boy. I stated facts. Your attempted spin is a miserable failure. 1% per day is what you get when you’re dealing with real-world dewars, regardless of cryogen. LHe, LN2, LH2, LOX all in the real world boil off at about the same rate. Your cute little picture of a LH2 tanker doesn’t change that.
Again, you’re being deceptive. Shame on you.
Bye, now.
It’s really silly. Gasoline or diesel (or even alcohol) doesn’t boil off at 1%/day, or even 0.2%/day, and doesn’t need a dewar. For practical purposes, liquid hydrocarbon fuels in automotive fuel systems don’t boil off at all. LH2 as a motor fuel is an absurdity.
China is the force pushing E cars because they have no fuel
Yep! Worst damage I’ve ever seen and I have been thru 5 hurricanes and numerous Tropical storms.....................
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