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Gas-powered car bans won't work without infrastructure investments, expert says
Tech Explore ^ | SEPTEMBER 13, 2022 | by Daryl Lovell, Syracuse University

Posted on 09/13/2022 9:40:12 AM PDT by Red Badger

California lawmakers have passed a measure cracking down on the future sales of new gasoline cars. The rules call for the ban of new gas-powered cars by 2035, with target guidelines to phase out the cars in increments. It is the first ban of its kind, and states nationwide are expected to enact similar policies.

David Popp is a professor in the Public Administration and International Affairs Department in Syracuse University's Maxwell School. Popp's research interests are in environmental policy and the economics of technological change. Much of his research focuses on the links between environmental policy and innovation, with a particular interest in how environmental and energy policies shape the development of new technologies that may be relevant for combatting climate change.

Popp says, "While I support efforts to increase the use of electric vehicles, I worry that an all-out ban on gasoline-powered vehicles would be going too far. Electric vehicles are great for day-to-day commutes, for example, but many consumers are still concerned about the lack of range batteries have for a family road trip. The California policy appears to provide some leeway by allowing hydrogen powered vehicles. But hydrogen vehicles are still an expensive option and fueling stations are limited.

"Whether manufacturers will work to improve the viability of hydrogen vehicles is not clear. The cost of producing hydrogen fuel is a limiting factor, which requires investments from energy producers as well. Automakers have already committed to producing more electric vehicles. A mandate like this helps reassure them that there will be a market for these vehicles. Improvements are likely, but limits on range and charging time may be difficult technical challenges to overcome. It does appear that plug-in hybrid vehicles would be allowed under the California regulation. If so, that could provide an alternative for consumers concerned about range, assuming manufacturers choose to make such vehicles available.

"The 17 states that currently follow California's vehicle emissions standards face a challenging choice. A policy change like this cannot be adopted in a vacuum. New charging infrastructure will need to be built, particularly for people who don't live in single-family homes and can simply plug in a vehicle when they return home. Charging infrastructure will also be needed along interstates and other places where drivers may go on longer road trips. Will states not participating upgrade their infrastructure as well? Additional charging stations mean new electric grid capacity will be needed. For consumers choosing hydrogen vehicles, refueling stations need to be built. And there is no guarantee hydrogen is a clean fuel. Hydrogen can be produced using renewable energy, but it can also be made using fossil fuels.

"Any state choosing to follow California's lead will must be prepared to make the necessary investments to make electric and hydrogen vehicles work in their states. Simply mandating their sale will not be enough."

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1 posted on 09/13/2022 9:40:12 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: muleskinner; Fiddlstix; TexasTransplant; Squeako; dennisw; norwaypinesavage; 1Old Pro; weps4ret; ...

Ping!................


2 posted on 09/13/2022 9:40:41 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

The leftists just want to destroy America and by any means. They’re not interested in doing anything constructive, they just want our nation destroyed.


3 posted on 09/13/2022 9:41:39 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Red Badger

Well... look who just caught up.


4 posted on 09/13/2022 9:41:46 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Red Badger

“....won’t work WITH infrastructure investments....” Dumbassery writ large. 😵‍💫🤬


5 posted on 09/13/2022 9:42:52 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Red Badger
define "work".

The author presumes a goal not in evidence.

6 posted on 09/13/2022 9:43:17 AM PDT by G Larry (Population Control means Killing Billions, not "limiting growth".)
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To: Red Badger

You’re gonna need battery graves in 10 years...


7 posted on 09/13/2022 9:43:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: MeganC

Hydrogen is not a viable ‘fuel’.

It takes more energy to produce it than you get from it..............


8 posted on 09/13/2022 9:44:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Der alert

Newsflash: they dont care


9 posted on 09/13/2022 9:46:25 AM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: Red Badger

I thought “we” just “invested” $800B in infrastructure. Wonder where all that went. (Sarcasm)


10 posted on 09/13/2022 9:46:28 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: Red Badger

A reverse order hostage kidnapping energy shakedown. Kinda like that National Lampoon Magazine edition that had the dog on the cover with a gun to its head with the headine “Buy This Magazine, or we Shoot This Dog.”


11 posted on 09/13/2022 9:51:04 AM PDT by blackdog
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Not only that, who wants all that hydrogen (vehicle and refueling tank) in their garage?


12 posted on 09/13/2022 9:51:08 AM PDT by fidelis (👈 Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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Gas-powered car bans won't work without infrastructure investments, expert says

Experts say? Anyone who still has one neuron firing knows that electric vehicles are a train wreck waiting to happen. From lack of charging stations and scarce rare-earth minerals needed for batteries, to a stupid understanding of where the power to charge these vehicles is going to come from, this whole idea is a bad joke.

13 posted on 09/13/2022 9:52:39 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy. I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Sacajaweau

“You’re gonna need battery graves in 10 years...”

Batteries are recycled. Recyclers report lack of batteries to recycle because batteries are lasting longer than expected.


14 posted on 09/13/2022 9:53:45 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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It will work just fine.

As long as batteries are the only energy storage it will never work no matter what the infrastructure you have. You’ll have to use public transpiration, walk, or stay home.

That’s what they want.


15 posted on 09/13/2022 9:54:18 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (Let's go Brandon)
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To: Red Badger

https://photos.app.goo.gl/fgQ9mjrnkgiYs4jE6


16 posted on 09/13/2022 9:55:36 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: econjack

“Experts say? Anyone who still has one neuron firing knows that electric vehicles are a train wreck waiting to happen. From lack of charging stations and scarce rare-earth minerals needed for batteries, to a stupid understanding of where the power to charge these vehicles is going to come from, this whole idea is a bad joke.”

Non-Experts say: Anyone who still has one neuron firing knows that electric vehicles are a train wreck waiting to happen. From lack of charging stations and scarce rare-earth minerals needed for batteries, to a stupid understanding of where the power to charge these vehicles is going to come from, this whole idea is a bad joke.

fixed.


17 posted on 09/13/2022 9:56:06 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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To: Red Badger
It takes more energy to produce it than you get from it

Those pesky rules of thermodynamics will get you every time. ENTROPHY RULES!

18 posted on 09/13/2022 9:56:20 AM PDT by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST)
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To: Red Badger

Artificially jack up the price of gas high enough then EVs will be the only (bad) option.


19 posted on 09/13/2022 9:56:48 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

“It will work just fine.

As long as batteries are the only energy storage it will never work ...”

Why not?


20 posted on 09/13/2022 9:57:06 AM PDT by TexasGator ( )
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