Posted on 09/13/2022 9:40:12 AM PDT by Red Badger
California lawmakers have passed a measure cracking down on the future sales of new gasoline cars. The rules call for the ban of new gas-powered cars by 2035, with target guidelines to phase out the cars in increments. It is the first ban of its kind, and states nationwide are expected to enact similar policies.
David Popp is a professor in the Public Administration and International Affairs Department in Syracuse University's Maxwell School. Popp's research interests are in environmental policy and the economics of technological change. Much of his research focuses on the links between environmental policy and innovation, with a particular interest in how environmental and energy policies shape the development of new technologies that may be relevant for combatting climate change.
Popp says, "While I support efforts to increase the use of electric vehicles, I worry that an all-out ban on gasoline-powered vehicles would be going too far. Electric vehicles are great for day-to-day commutes, for example, but many consumers are still concerned about the lack of range batteries have for a family road trip. The California policy appears to provide some leeway by allowing hydrogen powered vehicles. But hydrogen vehicles are still an expensive option and fueling stations are limited.
"Whether manufacturers will work to improve the viability of hydrogen vehicles is not clear. The cost of producing hydrogen fuel is a limiting factor, which requires investments from energy producers as well. Automakers have already committed to producing more electric vehicles. A mandate like this helps reassure them that there will be a market for these vehicles. Improvements are likely, but limits on range and charging time may be difficult technical challenges to overcome. It does appear that plug-in hybrid vehicles would be allowed under the California regulation. If so, that could provide an alternative for consumers concerned about range, assuming manufacturers choose to make such vehicles available.
"The 17 states that currently follow California's vehicle emissions standards face a challenging choice. A policy change like this cannot be adopted in a vacuum. New charging infrastructure will need to be built, particularly for people who don't live in single-family homes and can simply plug in a vehicle when they return home. Charging infrastructure will also be needed along interstates and other places where drivers may go on longer road trips. Will states not participating upgrade their infrastructure as well? Additional charging stations mean new electric grid capacity will be needed. For consumers choosing hydrogen vehicles, refueling stations need to be built. And there is no guarantee hydrogen is a clean fuel. Hydrogen can be produced using renewable energy, but it can also be made using fossil fuels.
"Any state choosing to follow California's lead will must be prepared to make the necessary investments to make electric and hydrogen vehicles work in their states. Simply mandating their sale will not be enough."
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Can we evacuate from hurricanes in electric vehicles? Provided by Syracuse University
“Can we evacuate from hurricanes in electric vehicles?”
Finally....somebody asking an obvious and logical question.
Consider this scenario:
A mandatory evacuation hits a gulf state or states and everybody with a battery car bugs out at approximately the same time.
Best case scenario there is the batteries were fully charged....at 300 miles out everybody is looking for a way to charge up.
If your fortunate enough to have been able to afford a tesla your gonna need at least 30 minutes to charge up IF you can find a tesla supercharger.....you and all your other tesla owner friends.
In the meantime a cat III+ hurricane is bearing down.
Since I do live on the Southeast coast, if I have to evacuate I suspect I’ll be seeing EVs scattered along the highway like so many discarded soda cans.
Not to mention it doesn’t take a full blown hurricane to knock out ELECTRICITY in a wide spread area.
I’m sure there will be no panic.
And there’s not gonna be a bunch of coal miners around to help push either.
If you use a nuclear reactor to make the electricity for the electrolysis process???
I read a report somewhere that with manufacturing limitations and necessary infrastructure improvements it woould take over 50 years to convert everyone to electric cars.
California spent 77 billion dollars on a high speed rail program. Where is the railroad? Where did all that money go? Why can’t America build a high speed railway?
Australia has high speed rail. Japan does. China does. Indonesia does. Brazil does. Europe does. Russia does.
Does anyone really think that American can upgrade its electrical grid to handle all-electric vehicles?
What happens when we get a dusting of snow and entire cities are without power, as regularly occurs in the South. How will they charge the maintenance vehicles owned by the power company? How will employees of the power company get to work?
By mule?
The weight and charging time, not to mention the issues with mining lithium and cobalt. It’s not even close. Simply put electricity doesn’t store well.
Take a look at some F150 Lighting trailer towing figures. You may not need a trailer but it is a great practical example of the problem with EV’s.
It only has 25% of the range of a Diesel and takes a all day to recharge if you aren’t stranded somewhere. It just doesn’t work.
What? "As California goes, so goes the nation?" I don't think that's even slightly viable.
The state thinks they're losing their tax base now, just wait until they start to enact stupider laws. Like this one. What a bunch of idiots.
And to think it all started in Berkeley with Angela Davis...
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To the EV totalitarians, travel totalitarianism is a feature, not a defect.
Keeping people from immobile has always been a top control method.
“The weight and charging time, not to mention the issues with mining lithium and cobalt. It’s not even close. Simply put electricity doesn’t store well.”
Educate yourself.
The weight of the battery is not a problem. Electric motors have awesome torque. Acceleration does take energy but most is recovered through regenerative braking.
Batteries can be charged in 15 minutes giving a 200 mile range. Most charging is done at night while owner sleeps.
The industry is moving away from cobalt. Presently, only 6% of world cobalt goes into batteries and going lower. AND YOU BENEFIT FROM THAT COBALT.
Most of lithium mined comes from copper and nickel mines. AND YOU BENEFIT FROM THAT COPPER AND NICKEL.
Batteries do store well. Newer batteries are showing charge/discharge efficiencies of 98%.
Gonna need a bigger reactor.....................
Let them, won’t ever happen in Texas.
I had a neighbor with a broken down Tesla and a Ford Van showed up. The Tech made no bones about it. He had a large area to cover and no Tesla or any EV for that matter couldn’t cut it.
For local use maybe but that’s all.
When Ivan came in 2004, people were stranded IN THEIR CARS on I-10 from Pensacola to Lake City because of traffic back up.
Many people had to just sit in their cars while the rains and wind buffeted them for hours.
And these were gasoline powered cars and trucks.
In 1985 we ‘evacuated’ from hurricane Elena, but never got farther than the Alabama state line, traffic was so bad. Had to spend the night on the side of the road.
In 1995 we tried to evacuate from Hurricane Opal, but the backup was so bad we just turned around and went home. Never got more than 3 miles.
When the winds reach 40 mph, the Highway Patrol shuts down the bridges in Pensacola across Escambia Bay on US98, US90 and I-10 so WEST is a no go.
Going North on US331 or East on I-10, US98 or SR20 are your only choices and they are at a standstill............
“Example #1 200 mile range is about 45 in freezing weather. Get your facts straight. In the winter time you just have to stay home.”
You are making that up.
“Example #2 200 mile range ain’t (deleted per site guidelines)”
That is just a 15 minute charge. For example, you can leave home with a 350 mile range, stop once and you are good. Most people never need or want to drive 500 miles in a day.
“Even Tesla uses Ford gasoline vans for service vehicles”
Tesla doesn’t make service vans.
Once they destroy the auto industry they think it will never recover
When these people start talking about ‘investments’... RUN!
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