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The solution is really simple IF companies believes there is value to the company with on location workers. If you want the benefits of working from home, take a approximate 20% pay cut compared to an equivalent job at the office.
1 posted on 09/13/2022 7:06:45 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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I have a better idea: let the free market sort it out.


2 posted on 09/13/2022 7:11:16 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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'If you want the benefits of working from home, take a approximate 20% pay cut compared to an equivalent job at the office. '

That's not a benefit for the employee, but the employer. Imagine the costs that can now be cut to have their employees use their own homes to work in.

Almost like a uber scam. Employers should be offering 20% raise to outsource their costs to their employees. No more offices, and the costs that come with them, etc etc.

Naturally the next would be for companies to lower their costs even more to overseas and AI. This ultimately will hurt US workers going forward who aren't locked into a 'needed' job.

8 posted on 09/13/2022 7:16:25 AM PDT by Theoria
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If someone is so socially awkward that they can’t come into the office a few times a week, then I probably don’t want them long term.


10 posted on 09/13/2022 7:21:18 AM PDT by Codeflier (I am just going to assume you are a Democrat if you call me a Putin supporter and ignore you.)
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I post this same observation on every thread I come across related to RTO/WFH dynamics in the workplace …

Any CEO who has had employees working from home productively for the last 30 months would be a fool to force them back to the office.

Think of all the costs of leasing and operating tens of thousands of square feet of office space. Now, think of how much money the company saves when employees willingly take on all those costs themselves.

Like I said … any CEO who doesn’t see the pragmatic wisdom of this should be fired.

18 posted on 09/13/2022 7:26:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It's midnight in Manhattan. This is no time to get cute; it's a mad dog's promenade.")
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Granted I was an IT Contractor for the last 20 years of my career, 15 of those 20 years I worked from home and turned down contracts that required you work from the office and no remote work allowed.

Even it was more money, it wasn’t worth it, I hated working in a cubicle jungle and the commute thru traffic twice a day was maddening.

Remote work may not work for everyone but once you get use to it, it’s hard to give up


23 posted on 09/13/2022 7:33:07 AM PDT by srmanuel (C)
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Companies have realized they are paying for a lot of unused office space. Also the few workers who do show up regularly are tired of having to doing the at-location work that the home-workers foist off on them to avoid having to actually show up occasionally.


29 posted on 09/13/2022 7:35:41 AM PDT by Carl Vehse (A proud member of the LGBFJB community)
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I moved from MA to TN a year ago with my management's blessing. It used to be a 5 mile commute but now is a 100 foot commute..

If they tell me I need to come on back and commute to an office, the closest one is 3 hours away. I think I'd tell them politely, "Umm...no. See ya."

31 posted on 09/13/2022 7:36:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Great minds drink alike...me and my baby havin' a hell of a night. - - BB King)
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Before Covid I worked 3 days/week in the office. Now I work 1 day/week in the office. A hybrid solution of between 1-3 days in the office is the way to go and the best of both worlds.


42 posted on 09/13/2022 7:55:12 AM PDT by olivia3boys
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After the employees get laid off for job abandonment. . . .they can always Learn to Code. . . (grin)


43 posted on 09/13/2022 7:55:32 AM PDT by Salgak (You're in Strange Hands with Tom Stranger. . . .)
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When employees work from home, the work gets done.

When employees work from home, the employees save the money and time otherwise used on commuting.

Without employees in the office, the companies can reduce their office space and save money.

It’s win-win.


46 posted on 09/13/2022 7:56:31 AM PDT by Round Earther
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I am more productive and work longer hours from home. And I travel frequently. An office space is a waste.


47 posted on 09/13/2022 7:56:46 AM PDT by Solson (DeSantis/Hawley 2024!)
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Just an observation, with all the people apparently working from home out there, how come the traffic still sucks?


49 posted on 09/13/2022 8:01:26 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (4,061,483 users on Truth Social)
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I think what we’re seeing is a return to a, ‘Butcher, Baker & Candlestick Maker’ type of society. (If they don’t starve us out, first!)

We’re ALL going to eventually be freelancers or owner-operators.

Well, except for me. I’m NEVER going back to outside employment, though I’m not against a few ‘side hustles’ from time to time. ;)


58 posted on 09/13/2022 8:24:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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One year ago from today, production is DOWN 2.4%

https://www.bls.gov/charts/productivity-and-costs/nonfarm-business-sector-productivity-percent-change.htm

Doesn’t take a genius to see where things are heading under Brandon. :(

This is directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They’re not hiding a thing.


64 posted on 09/13/2022 8:35:46 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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Most people on this thread are discarding the extra job competition that this whole WFH phenomenon brings.

My team at work now has two new engineers from India. They don’t live in the USA. They work from India. They are nice enough people but I do have to help teach them how the company’s systems work etc.. But, India is a very large pool of educated people to draw from. And I don’t know their salary but I’m assuming they work for less money than I do. I’m just saying if you thought the H1B system was an issue, you haven’t seen anything yet.


80 posted on 09/13/2022 9:18:01 AM PDT by toast
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Is this the death of office romances?

Axin’ for a friend...


81 posted on 09/13/2022 9:18:21 AM PDT by newfreep (“Leftism, under all of its brand names, is a severe, violent & evil mental disorder.”)
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The problem is that most managers are older people and most workers are younger people.

Younger people see no reason why they have to drive to an office to do the same work they can do anywhere else in the world. All so some old fart can harass them all day long and dictate when they can and can’t go to the bathroom.

HR and Legal departments are starting to side with the work from home crowd because there’s very few sexual harassment, hostile workplace, and hazardous workplace lawsuits when you don’t have so many people in the office to begin with.

Then there’s the fact that companies can save massive amounts of money on real estate and rent and put that money to the bottom line.


88 posted on 09/13/2022 9:27:09 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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Hard for companies to do this since they were the ones who started this WFH in the first place.


107 posted on 09/13/2022 10:20:00 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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