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Which Founding Father is the most popular who isn't George Washington, isn't Benamin Franklin, isn't Thomas Jefferson, and isn't George Washington?
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Posted on 08/22/2022 6:07:14 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

Something amazing has happened. Many posts ago, I told people that Yes, I am open to taking requests for free open source audiobook production and I meant it. I would be curious to know any directions people would like to go - of course, I have my own goals and a much greater lack of manpower than anybody can know. But there's plenty of room for overlap, and that post will never have an expiration date.

But there has been a change recently, and most importantly, the reverse has come true. I've been in contact with someone, and after many discussions, this person helped me with one audiobook related to progressivism as a collaboration and now has taken on an audiobook all on their own, and they're ripping through it like a magician with a flame sword trying to melt butter. It's like watching fireworks in slow motion. Even better than that.

The audiobook we collaborated on is rooted in media bias, and when that book is fully complete, you can be sure it will be announced here for your listening pleasure.

To briefly describe this solo work he's taken, it's a historical account of the British Fabian Society written around 1906. We as conservatives are sorely lacking in knowledge about the Fabians. I've always wanted to do a book about the Fabians myself since they started having crossover with American Progressives in some of the crucial years,(like the 1920s) but I can't take my eye off of the ball. The core of my work must be Progressivism, so Fabians have never risen high enough as a priority. Look at my side bar. That side bar has never changed in over a decade, and it will never, ever change. It is more than anything, my guiding principle.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle - Sun Tzu (Art of War, Chapter 3)

The more I read the Founders directly and old historians from the mid and late 1800s, the more I realize that, wow, I didn't know squat about the Founders. And this is because of how complete the control over history is, that the progressives have achieved. If you have a history book written about the Founders that's after 1920, you might as well throw that junk in the garbage. No, really. All historians are guilty until proven innocent. Unless you have one of maybe a handful - 20 or so historians who truely are worth more than a salt shaker. Maybe you're lucky and you have one of their works and a sincerely well written non-omitting treasure of a book. But the vast bulk of all history written by historians since 1920 about the founders - It's really smelly fake trash. It just is. Historians are in many ways worse than journalists.

But even in trash, there is some modicum of facts and that's why they get away with it. Progressive historians can omit much, but they cannot outright lie. They couldn't say that Washington was born in 1302 could they? Nah. So their strength is in omission. But it is omission that has led all of us to know so little of the Founders. Most people only really have knowledge of the Federalist Papers directly, and one, or perhaps two Founding Fathers that they've chosen as their figure. We need to know more than this. We just do. We need to know and specialize in knowing what the historians have erased and make it easy for others around us to develop the same specialty.

But, just to round out the converse and hit the complete point that Sun Tzu was making, while some conservatives do have knowledge about the Founders; as to the progressives - the enemy? No. Progressives have owned history and have completely and totally buried their history in ways that even after doing this for a decade, it STILL confounds me how complete the full package that it is. It is so complete. It is so ironclad. I recognize how utterly devious and deceitful it all is, but I cannot help but marvel at how thorough and how completely successful they've been. It just is. You have to marvel at the success. And Fabians are the same way. That's what makes the work that my friend is doing such an amazing thing and such a ray of light and I cannot state in words how excited I am that this book is being recorded at the rate its happening. It does help me point the way in the future though, I can be more pointed toward the Founding Fathers.

That's how all of this relates to the headline question of this posting. Because, of the one or two Founders that people do know, in most instances, it's George Washington. Now, Washington was a pillar of a human being and I'll even go so far as to say he was one of the greatest humans to ever walk the planet. But I still get a little frustrated that, come on, can we really not limit ourselves to anything but three of the Founders?

Can we expand here? Please? I'm begging you. Please?

And that's the crux of my question. I would love to be shown how wrong I am and have a hundred people or more come out of the woodwork and tell me how great John Hancock was - and you're going to tell me this story, and that story, and you'll have all these details about his governorship, and a link to this book and that book. But I'm certain that won't be happening in response. Very few of you know anything about John Hancock. Or how about a Founder like General Joseph Warren and all he did for us? If the only thing you can tell me about is the Battle of Bunker Hill, then, I don't mean this to be brazen, but if you can only talk to me about the Battle of Bunker Hill then you know I'm right and you're just proving it to yourself. You shouldn't feel bad, the Progressives have stolen Joseph Warren from us. We didn't surrender him. We didn't "forget" him. They own history. They erased Warren. And let me tell you, Joseph Warren didn't deserve erasure. He was too important. To heck with the progressives.

They did this to you, the progressives, and they did it to me too. Or how about Rufus King? Will twenty or more of you come up around here and tell me this or that about him? And yes, I mean, without trying to do a quick homework on Wikipedia. You already know it without me saying it - you don't know anything about Rufus king. I'll be honest, I don't either. Look, I'm not omitting myself here, no one man can know all things, and that is fair, and my taking time to record audiobooks does in fact slow down my ability to learn more about the Founders. Here's another, how many of you even know we have a Founding Father named Steven? How few are familiar enough to even know that I misspelled it?(yes, it was on purpose) But the fact that I could easily go down a list and just one after the other, nobody knows the founders - except for Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson. Doesn't that strike you as a problem? How does nobody see this problem? It's an elephant. Right here in the living room! Nobody sees it!!! How can you miss it? An elephant. Right there!

Well, to me, I like challenges. I see this problem, and I say what can I do toward I fixing this problem? Because I can make a difference here.

I want to do an audiobook about a specific Founder, one who isn't Jefferson, Franklin, or Washington. And yes, I did mean to write Washington's name twice in the title. It illustrates the point.

If I had to take a guess, I would suspect that the most popular Founding Father who isn't Washington, Jefferson, or Franklin, is Patrick Henry. That's just a guess! But when I see discussions or hear people I know, I think I hear and see Patrick Henry more than any others. Perhaps George Mason. I would never suspect Nathaniel Gorham of being one of the more popular founders, I just wouldn't. I bet you wouldn't either.

Now, I wish I could do an audiobook of one of the founders that's so random, because I do want to fill this gap. But I also want to make something that people will actually take the time and have an interest to consume, so I am quite certain that I won't be doing anything about David Brearly. And yes, I'm dropping names to catch your attention.

I want to do an audiobook that will be free in the public domain, a biography of one man that's just his story so we can learn just that and then that story can start being a little more prominent. More media is good media. I don't know when it will happen, but soon. But my goals are this:

First: How can I avoid "the formula"?

Universities can't really avoid Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin - while they can certainly lie by omission about these men, that's the formula. We only have three Founding Fathers by the culture of some universities. We're only allowed to learn about or discuss Franklin, Jefferson, and Washington. And oh let's not forget about how racist they all were. -- It's so boring. Because the universities are lying. Historians are frauds.

Second: How can I introduce a new Founding Father to people who want the Founding Fathers, in a way that is creative and engaging?

Audiobooks. This one isn't complicated. I got this.

Third: What will people actually care enough about?

Even with the importance of a Roger Sherman or a John Dickinson, who may be popular enough to be good choices, am I still just kinda playing to "the formula"? Would I really be doing much good if any if I don't break out and truely teach people something that's quite amazing? Even with as prominent as Madison was, is he really all that popular? How about Richard Stockton? Stockton sounds like a fairly good choice to me.

My time does have value. I mean, not that yours doesn't. I'm just saying, I really think an audiobook about Jacob Broom could be reaching into the territory of I'm wasting my time here, there's not many who would listen to this.

So that's why I'm asking. What's the best value for my time and to be clear, for your your time as well? What isn't repeat work? I can tell you this. We don't need yet another book or audiobook about George Washington as amazing as he was.

And so it's said, I do hope that at some point in the future, others do join me. I hope my new friend doesn't turn out to be my only new friend who sees the value in this endeavor and helps. And yes, he has done one solo audio.(still ongoing) One book is enough!!! Know that - one solo is enough. A full two or three dozen audiobooks about specific founders that we could pass around like candy would be such an amazing thing. So amazing. Free and open source in the public domain, that I could just give to you, and you just could give to someone else, and they could freely give to me, and it keeps repeating and making us all more knowledgable and better voters. But the human lifespan only lasts so long. And even fully focused only on the Founders, I could not do that. I just won't last that long. One person with one commitment can go a very long way. My new friend is proof of that. Ten people with one single committment is a very big problem for progressives - I want to go and create that problem.

Look, I'm going to do this with or without you. The only questions left to ask are when, and who.

Oh, and P.S. What about the Founding Mothers? I couldn't even do a book there. Well, I suppose I could. But I truely think that a woman's voice would fit the bill so much more nicely and be a significant upgrade in quality that for the sake of quality, it should be read by a woman and not a man. So there's that. As much as I want it done, for the reason of quality I won't do it. Perhaps someone needs to convince me otherwise.

In any case, which Founding Father is the most popular who isn't George Washington, isn't Benamin Franklin, isn't Thomas Jefferson, and isn't George Washington? I really would like to know so that I can set an optimum goal for myself.

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KEYWORDS: audiobook; audiobooks; foundingfathers; patrickhenry
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I want to create an audiobook that's solely about the one person and their life. Who is the best subject, and why?
1 posted on 08/22/2022 6:07:14 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Steve Garvey?

2 posted on 08/22/2022 6:08:00 AM PDT by al baby (Yes i know it was Gere )
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Most of you have known for a very long time about my audiobooks and have probably listened to one or a few of them. I think this is a worthy direction to expand into.

3 posted on 08/22/2022 6:09:16 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

James Madison, the father of the Constitution

4 posted on 08/22/2022 6:09:57 AM PDT by glennaro (Live life unbullied and unafraid. Choose to ignore or fight the irrationality that surrounds you.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

George Washington

5 posted on 08/22/2022 6:10:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I’d say the most popular these days is that hip-hop brutha Hamilton.

6 posted on 08/22/2022 6:11:06 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (11/3-11/4/2020 - The USA became a banana republic.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Patrick Henry?

7 posted on 08/22/2022 6:12:51 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: ProgressingAmerica; LS

Ping for your input.

8 posted on 08/22/2022 6:14:55 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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George Mason
James Madison
Patrick Henry
Samuel Adams
Roger Sherman
Charles Carroll

9 posted on 08/22/2022 6:15:57 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Freedom isn't free, liberty isn't liberal and you'll never find anything Right on the Left)
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John Adams would have my vote.
10 posted on 08/22/2022 6:19:26 AM PDT by cotton1706
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Thomas Paine

11 posted on 08/22/2022 6:21:20 AM PDT by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake. )
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for the reason of quality I won’t do it. Perhaps someone needs to convince me otherwise. >>

Do a series of short stories that are historical fiction.

And you will becme highly popular.

12 posted on 08/22/2022 6:23:51 AM PDT by Candor7 (ObamaFascism:
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To: glennaro

I was going to say James Madison as well.

13 posted on 08/22/2022 6:24:35 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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14 posted on 08/22/2022 6:24:56 AM PDT by revetment
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To: AppyPappy

Beat me to it. LOL.

15 posted on 08/22/2022 6:25:52 AM PDT by stevio
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To: ProgressingAmerica
James Madison, who wrote the Bill of Rights, or James Wilson of Pennsylvania, the so-called "Penman of the Revolution."

I like Wilson myself: James Wilson (Founding Father)

Or any of the Anti-Federalists below, who were very prescient about how the country would turn out in the years to come:

Patrick Henry, Virginia

Samuel Adams, Massachusetts

Joshua Atherton, New Hampshire

George Mason, Virginia

Richard Henry Lee, Virginia

Robert Yates, New York

James Monroe, Virginia

Amos Singletary, Massachusetts

John Hancock, Massachusetts

Mercy Otis Warren, Massachusetts

James Warren, Massachusetts

George Clinton, New York

Melancton Smith, New York

James Winthrop, Massachusetts

Luther Martin, Maryland

Samuel Bryan, Pennsylvania

16 posted on 08/22/2022 6:27:06 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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Ethan Allen, Vermont (14th state).

17 posted on 08/22/2022 6:34:02 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Button Gwinnet.

18 posted on 08/22/2022 6:35:32 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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Robert Gates, the “other” Revolutionary general
George Clinton, whose name was honored until another set of Clintons became famous

19 posted on 08/22/2022 6:37:12 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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My founding mother is Abigail Rice. She worked at the hospital her husband Zacharia Rice built at valley forge. their home was nearby.

It is related that after the battle of Brandywine, General Washington retreated across the Chester Valley to the Yellow Springs, passing the Rice home. Halting with his staff officers he asked for some water to drink. Mrs. Rice quickly sent one of her daughters to the spring for a bucket of water, and mixing into it some sugar, rum, and spice, made “flip,” a then common drink, and presented the bucket to General Washington, addressing his as “my lord.” Washington immediately replied, “We have no titles here, we are all brothers, my heart is with my poor men who lie in the battle field at Brandywine.” This was one of Washington’s darkest moments.

Likely Washington had on his mind Franklin’s famous witicism. “If we don’t all hang together, we shall hang seperately.”

Her descendents are fond of saying“if you have shook my hand, then you have shook the hand, of the hand, of the hand, of the hand, (etc) that shook General Washington’s hand.”

Abigail Rice had 21 Children.

A marker at her grave states.

Some people have children.
Some people have none.
Abigail had 21.

20 posted on 08/22/2022 6:37:22 AM PDT by ckilmer (qui)
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