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No Matter Who Wins Ukraine, America Has Already Lost
The National Interest ^ | August 21, 2022 | Ramon Marks

Posted on 08/22/2022 5:29:01 AM PDT by Cathi

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1 posted on 08/22/2022 5:29:01 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

The last paragraph is never going to happen. NATO is a bunch of broken screwed up countries that have ruined their economies by joining the WEF/NWO.

Trump got them to divvy up a little more NATO funding, but that was then, this is now.

NATO needs to be eliminated. It is no longer a source for good.


2 posted on 08/22/2022 5:38:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Cathi

When the US State Department chose to disrupt Minsk II and use Ukraine as a launching pad for weapons aimed at Russia, directly on it’s border, the fate of America was sealed.

This cannot be undone.


3 posted on 08/22/2022 5:39:25 AM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Cathi

Always the plan.

After WWII, with a few exceptions, most of the world both loved America and feared America.

Today, most of them hate us - our own political elite hate us - and no one fears us. The Globalists want us subjugated.


4 posted on 08/22/2022 5:40:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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To: Cathi

Nations hostile to US➡️Soros/Clintons/Obama➡️Democrat Party➡️Government employees

Nations hostile to The United States are using the Democrat Party to destroy The United States.


5 posted on 08/22/2022 5:42:45 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: Cathi
a bid to contain U.S. global leadership

US "global leadership" has been dead for ten years at least.

And for the last 30 years, it has meant using occupied Germany to influence former colonial powers to join the globohomo ruling system, to the point that their former colonies are turning to the East.

6 posted on 08/22/2022 5:42:57 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When policemen break the law, then there isn't any law - just a fight for survival)
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To: Cathi

America funded the Russians to attack Ukraine. When Biden, Obozo and Soros shut down the American Energy Business and gave European Oil Sales to Putin for Russia to earn one Billion dollars per day, Putin’s war on the Ukraine was paid for.


7 posted on 08/22/2022 5:47:31 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: Cathi

The US is becoming irrelevant on the world stage.


8 posted on 08/22/2022 5:51:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: chopperk

Does anyone here think Russia and the Chicoms can have each other? How did the Hitler/Stalin Pact work out? The Japanese didn’t trust their German ally. Think of the China/USSR border skirmish in ‘69 and the same with India in ‘62.

Sometimes we’d be better off letting these things play out. Nukes just might keep people in check.


9 posted on 08/22/2022 5:54:36 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Cathi

It’s like watching two mob families fight in Europe, and we take sides to support one of them to get kickbacks. This “philosopher” whose daughter was killed is a piece of work. Just freaking evil everywhere.


10 posted on 08/22/2022 5:57:34 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Cathi

India has always been a lost cause. First, it thinks of itself as being, or should be, a regional hegemonist, the equal of China, Russia, and the US, so it will make fluid dalliances rather than alliances. Second, it has an equal disdain for the East and the West, since its history before 1948 was to be colonized by first the Mughals and then the Brits, so it doesn’t care for either Tartars or Tartans.

Our future is with non-Chinese east Asia, and eventually with our own hemisphere when our neighbors to the south come to their senses and decide it is better to be with us than against us. Africa will always drag down whoever controls it, and China, Russia, India, and Europe all have machinations of their own. When we rid ourselves of the socialists, which will take a generation and a lot of pain, we can regain our position in the world as the self-sufficient nation that treats its allies better than any of the above.


11 posted on 08/22/2022 5:58:00 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Cathi

The Ukraine cheerleaders will pay no attention to this, because they cannot see beyond the obvious, that being Russia invading Ukraine. Sadly, their lack of critical thinking skills limits their ability to see anything beyond that fact, to the detriment of their own nation.


12 posted on 08/22/2022 5:59:10 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Cathi

Russia is Communist and is trying to rebuild the Soviet Union. Now with that out of the way, the West is doing far too little to actually stop Russia in Ukraine, and there are signs of deals being signed by Russia behind closed doors, specifically to benefit Hunter Biden and other American democrat politicians from oil monies.


13 posted on 08/22/2022 6:01:09 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Cathi
--- " The United States is no longer the world's sole dominant power. More burden sharing in the U.S. alliance system will have to happen sooner or later to deal with the reality of an increasingly multipolar world."

Biden has recently said that the US should "lead" the "liberal world order." Tallying the waste of treasure and men lost to recent wars, one asks, did we win in Vietnam? Kosovo? Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Sudan? Yemen? And are we "winning" in Ukraine after so many tens of billions expended?

A multi-polar world has been the reality throughout these last decades, in spite of the sales pitch from the "liberal world order" that Biden dreams we "lead." Or Obama dreamed of "leading from behind." We have won tens of trillions in debt, as a prize, to be sure. Doesn't feel like "leading" nor like "winning."

14 posted on 08/22/2022 6:01:54 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow Government)
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Contracts come and go. Is it in our best interest to continue wasting our blood and treasure for the world. No. Instead of talking about welfare in America, the welfare for Europe should be the concern.


15 posted on 08/22/2022 6:02:47 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: dforest

Article V was used for 9/11, and during the Gulf War in 1991. So NATO would have to help us if our territory was directly attacked by China and/or Russia out of the European theatre.


16 posted on 08/22/2022 6:03:19 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Cathi
The article is bad enough, but the comments are dispiriting and wrong-minded. A big plus for the US in a possible, now even likely victory by Ukraine against Russia would be a political turn in Russia against Putin and his system of autocratic rule, with a tilt then toward the US and Western Europe to soon follow.

Immediate but ultimately shallow commercial interests aside, Russia has a deep and well-founded fear of Chinese encroachment in the East. Russia's demographic and industrial decline, dismal civic life, and the emmigration of educated young people point toward a weakening Russia that must look to the West for support against China.

17 posted on 08/22/2022 6:07:22 AM PDT by Rockingham
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Interesting as “National Interest” is about as Neocon as any organization can get and they’re now talking as if this war is NOT in the bag for Ukraine, and therefore Ukraine might actually lose.

And they are stating that what was obvious from the start for those of us who actually followed events in Russia for the past 20 years, which was that Russia was (and is) far more than a “Third World Gas Station”. Instead these ‘experts’ hated Russia so much, that they refused to believe what was OBVIOUS to others, which was that Russia is a formidable country, not burdened by the wokeness and incredible division that now pervades the US (Russia had divisions, but they’re mostly gone after the people there, particularly the younger ones, realized how much they’re also despised by the West).

So, now the Neocons are admitting to failure here, which, to their credit keeps their PERFECT failure streak alive, but this one has real CONSEQUENCES to all Americans in that our chance of bringing Russia and associated countries (including ALL of Ukraine for that matter) into our fold is now gone, and we’ll have to deal with a world that both hates us and controls a huge percentage of the planet’s resources.

And to think...if we had simply said something like - “Russia is protecting Russian interests in its backyard” (as we did implicitly regarding South Ossetia), we’d still be a world power, with the currency (US dollar) used throughout the world, rather than a despised, has-been country, with a bunch of nukes lying around.


18 posted on 08/22/2022 6:07:28 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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Russia’s decline, means the rise of Turkey and a new Ottoman Empire. Think of the whole muslim world united. Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Northern Africa, probably also aligned with China, and Russia, with its significant Muslim population.


19 posted on 08/22/2022 6:09:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Luke21

“This “philosopher” whose daughter was killed is a piece of work. Just freaking evil everywhere.”

But irrelevant in Russia. Putin was educated as a lawyer, and in Russia, at least, that means learning the HISTORY of the country, so he didn’t need any help from that clown, which was why the clown had no security around him.

But listening to the West, you’d think that he did all of the thinking for Putin. But then that fits a pattern regarding leaders that the Western Media hates, as they were all “Controlled” by others, be it Reagan, who was a dunce, Bush Sr., who was ‘out of touch’ and needed others think for him, Bush Jr. who was a ‘monkey’ controlled by Cheney, and Trump, who was controlled by the Russians.

The killing is still a big deal, considering who they ended taking out, and who did it. And that why people are fleeing Kiev as I type.


20 posted on 08/22/2022 6:13:00 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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