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What are your thoughts? Am I being too conspiratorial, or is the MSM once again leading our culture over the cliff and into the relativistic abyss?
1 posted on 08/12/2022 6:18:24 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I don’t put it past the MSM to do what you suggest, but it was my understanding that she became brain dead. Once you’re brain dead, there is no point in letting the body function biologically.


2 posted on 08/12/2022 6:20:32 PM PDT by Jonty30 (Some men want to watch the world burn. It is they that want you to buy an electric car.)
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Anne Heche is not merely brain dead, she's dead dead. The doctors reported her brain dead on August 11th, and her family had removed from life support a day later, so she passed away today.
3 posted on 08/12/2022 6:23:37 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

She was brain dead, Period.

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4 posted on 08/12/2022 6:26:00 PM PDT by Mears
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She was doomed from being trapped in that raging fire for so long. The super hot air she had to breath literally “cooked” her respiratory system.

True actual brain death is not a life IMHO and is something you’ll come back from.


5 posted on 08/12/2022 6:27:01 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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These situations are all complicated.

Terry Schaivo was not brain dead, which is why they had to kill her.

If someone is brain dead they have no spontaneous respirations and their heart stops when you turn off the ventilator.

This is not “terminal extubation” after which people live for hours and occasionally days. It’s not terminal sedation, where drugs end the agony when someone is dying.

In a real brain death, usually from brain swelling that crushes the breathing centers, there is no need for drugs. Turn off the ventilator and bury the body.


7 posted on 08/12/2022 6:27:44 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When policemen break the law, then there isn't any law - just a fight for survival)
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God. The poor woman is finally at peace. Leave her alone now.


8 posted on 08/12/2022 6:29:49 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016 democratic )
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Human beings are not dead as long as the heart is beating. There have been numerous accounts of people coming out of comas and even where brain activity wasn't detected.

This is actually horrifying if one was to actually contemplate what is being done in this case. The Chinese have nothing on California.

9 posted on 08/12/2022 6:32:04 PM PDT by LibertyWoman (America, the Handwriting is on the Wall. )
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I was told by a physician friend the term “brain dead” was never used until they started harvesting organs. Hence, I got rid of my organ donor status on my driver license.


10 posted on 08/12/2022 6:33:26 PM PDT by Yogafist (Voting rino is voting for the managed decline of America.)
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Will her organs be fit to use if she was on cocaine and other drugs?


11 posted on 08/12/2022 6:33:44 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms.” – Aristotl)
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The truth is... The left wants to go beyond euthanasia. They want med pros calling the shots for quality of life and therefore having the power of life and death over patients. As with anything and everything with the left is always a slippery slope downhill into the abyss.


12 posted on 08/12/2022 6:39:18 PM PDT by Bullish (Rot'sa Ruck America. )
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If a person dies After being taken off life support, that is not euthanasia by any stretch of the imagination. This is a propaganda headline.


13 posted on 08/12/2022 6:39:18 PM PDT by stanne
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Am I being too conspiratorial, or is the MSM once again leading our culture over the cliff and into the relativistic abyss?

I don't know, but the rules for Anne Heche may be vastly different from the rules for Terri Schiavo because Terri Schiavo wasn't a Hollyoood actress.

15 posted on 08/12/2022 6:41:57 PM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, BY FAR, is that almost all of big media is agenda-driven, not-truth driven.)
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She may have been so destroyed inside from the time spent breathing in that chemical smoke, fire, and burning and the wreck itself, that we don’t even want to know what condition she was in besides being brain dead.


17 posted on 08/12/2022 6:43:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Kill a Commie for Mommy, proud NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon.)
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Sometimes the body will operate for a long time after brain death, sometimes only hours. For some, you have to ask, are machines keeping them alive and would God have let them die?


20 posted on 08/12/2022 6:45:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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Terry Schiavo was actually there and conscious, the medical team was court ordered to stop taking care of her by her husband and the courts. Her other family got stays, but in the end, lost. Husband had medical power of attorney. She did respond to people and knew who was there. She was not just a tomato as people called her then.

Anne Heche is a different case, people in fires like her often may not die from burns but their lungs are so damaged from smoke and heat its amatter of time before they expire. This kind of damage makes it an oxygen problem.

Now why they wouldn’t try hyperbaric chamber oxygen therapy, I don’t know, it would seem to be a potential way to help get more O2 into her, but they aren’t doing that for her. Instead shes in a medical induced coma, I don’tknow if doing that to her will make her get worse, just don’t know. Not sure if that helps her into the “brain dead” category.

Terry was present, not in a coma, but had someone actively cutting off food and water and murdering her, and actually was therr because that person tried to kill her. Anne isn’t really in the same spot. If anything she killed herself and did a lot fo damage to others in the pro ess.


22 posted on 08/12/2022 6:48:43 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Are you saying she was euthanized?


27 posted on 08/12/2022 7:03:23 PM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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Terry Schiavo was not brain dead.Nor was she comatose. She could respond to stimuli and moved. She might be what is called PVS, persistent vegetative state, but since one third of these patients are mis diagnosed and are actually conscious, she might have been aware of what was going on .

In brain death, the entire brain including the brain stem is dead. You shut off the machine and they quickly die because the lower part of the brain stem that controls breathing and the heart don't work.

In acute head trauma, or in major intercranial hemorrhage from strokes, often the brain swells on day 2 to 5, shutting off all circulation to the brain, so the brain dies...and yes they are indeed dead: Only the machines are there keeping the body alive. I believe this is what is happening here.

But it is morally acceptable to remove the respirator even if the person is not brain dead.

Finally, the Catholic church does not mandate keeping someone on a respirator, because it is acceptable to refuse extraordinary treatment.

We had a relative here in the Philippines on a respirator after a massive stroke for a week. He was not brain dead...But he was 80 years old, and it was obvious he would never wake up, so we had the respirator removed and the family stayed with him until he died the next day, not of euthanasia but of his stroke.

Until recent times, this definition included feeding tubes as optional, but Pope John Paul II recognized that these tubes, which are not painful and do not require expert nursing, were being removed with objective to kill the patient. That is what happened with Schiavo, whose husband was ready to remarry and she was in the way and depleting the family's money in a nursing home.

But I had a patient who could not swallow and refused the feeding tube, mainly because when he was tube fed they kept him isolated in his room and he wanted to go outside his room and recreate at lunch. Alas, he died a few days later of aspiration pneumonia. And the legal case that said this was okay was the Brophy case, a fireman who swore he never wanted to be kept alive on machines. He was comatose from a stroke, and the wife, with the church's approval, had the tube removed.

Now, one word of caution: there is a move in medical ethics to broaden the criteria of brain death from whole brain death to something called higher brain death. There is also a trend to take organs from people who are dying but not brain dead: They let the heart stop, then remove the organs. And there have been cases where brain death was misdiagnosed and woke up, but these cases are rare. these decisions are subtle. Get a good pro life doctor to help you judge such cases.

29 posted on 08/12/2022 7:13:38 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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The link you provided doesn’t mention euthanasia.

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30 posted on 08/12/2022 7:16:01 PM PDT by Mears
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She’s not only merely dead, she’s really most sincerely dead?


39 posted on 08/12/2022 8:06:51 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (If Black Lives Matter, why do Black people keep shooting each other?)
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That ship’s done sailed.

Palliative sedation and/or the faithful execution of terms of living wills/advanced health care directives can and do result in denying the terminally ill sustenance or medication that is indispensable to sustaining life, and those both have been standard medical practices for decades.


42 posted on 08/12/2022 9:59:11 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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