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Posted on 08/09/2022 6:12:07 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
ON BOARD THE VERMONT, PORT ROYAL HARBOR, S.C., Saturday, Aug. 2, 1862.
It seems the settled and inevitable policy of our Government to refuse the teachings of experience, and to regard ten tons of " cure" as better than one ounce of "prevention."
Despite the lessons given us by the Hollins Turtle, the Merrimac, and the Arkansas, our fleet, as I write, lies comparatively at the mercy of the monster ram which the rebels of Savannah have just completed and placed under command of the renegade, J. PEMBROKE JONES, formerly of the United States Navy, and more lately Chief Executive Officer of the exploded Merrimac.
From where I write I can see the garrisons of Fort Welles, and the other works on Hilton Head, busily amounting heavy guns, and strengthening the bombproof of the immense powder magazine, which lies between Fort Welles and the Hospital. Immediately to the right of Gen. HUNTER's quarters, the ramparts swarm with busy streams of men, dragging heavy ordnance into position, and completing the stockades and other defensive works in that vicinity. From the top of the old plantation house, the signal flags, under Lieut. TAFFT, are busily working, exchanging communications with Braddock's Point, (the nearest signal station to Fort Pulaski,) Seabrooke, Elliot's Plantation and the various military posts which command the creeks dividing the island on which Hilton Head is situated from the mainland.
Frequent interviews have been had during the past week between Commodore DUPONT and Maj.-Gen. HUNTER, their object being, it is supposed, to concert a thorough system of cooperative defence between the land and naval forces in the event of the expected attack. We have reliable information that the two rams in Charleston harbor are nearly, if not quite, ready for service, and will be used mainly to protect the harbor,
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Highly Important: A Monster Rebel Ram Completed at Savannah – 2
The Guerrillas in Missouri: Defeat of a Body of Them at Ozark – 2-3
Interesting from Memphis – 3
Important from Washington: Orders Issued by the War Department – 3-4
The Guerrillas in Tennessee – 4
From Gen. M’Clellan’s Army: Retirement of Our Forces from Malvern Hill – 4-5
The Army of Virginia: Nearly the Whole Force Moving Toward the Enemy – 5
The Murder of Gen. McCook: Interesting Particulars of the Assassination – 5-6
Important from the South: Retaliatory Measures on the Part of the Rebels – 6
Civilian Commanders – 6
Editorial: The One Thing Needful – 7
Editorial: Eluding the Draft – An Important Executive Order – 7
The Murder of Gen. McCook – 7-8
Editorial: Peril to Our Troops in South Carolina – 8
The Brooklyn Riot and the Police Force – 8
The Illustrious Army of Exempts – 8
The Difference – 8
I believe the massive ram completed in Savannah they’re referring to was the CSS Georgia. It was useless. The engines were too weak to fight the Savannah river current, and it leaked so badly the pumps couldn’t keep up. On one outing, the captain considered dumping coal overboard to prevent sinking.
The USS Vermont enjoyed a long distiinguished career as a supply ship and later as a barracks vessel wharfside.
The rams were a desperate effort to break the port blockade in he South. They would have faired much better with sapper teams moving around quietly at night.The militay thinking behind these rams was so flawed as to be laughable, a civil war Monty Python moment.
Louisiana 1861 - '62 Engagements
| Date | Engagement | Military Units | Losses | Victor |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oct 12 | Head of the Passes, Louisiana | Union Navy Blockading Squadron , (Pope 5-ships) & Confederate "Mosquito Fleet" (Hollins 10 boats & fire rafts) | none 4 ships damaged | CSA (Union surprised routed) |
| April 16-28 | Forts Jackson & St. Philip, LA | Union W. Gulf Squadron (Farragut), Confederate Dept #1 (Duncan) | Union 229-total, Confederate 782-total | USA |
| April 25 - May 1 | New Orleans, LA | Union W. Gulf Blockading Squadron (Farragut, "Beast" Butler ~5,000), Confederate Dept #1 (Lovell) | None | USA |
| Aug 5 | Baton Rouge, LA | Union Dept of the Gulf (Williams *kia*, Cahill ~2,500), Confederate Army of W Tennessee (Breckenridge ~2,600) | Union 371-total (55?-killed), Confederates ~478-total (72?-killed) | USA (Union outnumbered) |
Missouri 1861 - 1862 Engagements
| Date | Engagement | Military Units | Losses | Victor |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| May 10 | St. Louis Riots, MO | Union forces vs secessionist crowd | 4 Union soldiers killed, 3 prisoners, 28 civilians killed | USA |
| June 17 | Boonville, MO | Union Western Dept (Lyon) -1,700 vs. MO State Guard (Marmaduke) ~1,500 | Union: 12-total (5-killed); MO Guard 22-total (5-killed) | USA |
| June 18 | Camp Cole, MO | Union Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate State Guards (~350) | Union: 120-total (35 killed, 60 wounded 25 captured); CSA: 32-total ( 7-K, 25-W) | CSA (CSA outnumbered) |
| July 5 | Carthage, MO | Union Department of the West (Sigel) -- 1,000 vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (Jackson) -- 4,000 | Union: 44-total; CSA 200-total | CSA |
| July 5 | Neosho, MO | Union 3rd Missouri vs. Confederate cavalry | Union: 137-total; CSA zero total | CSA |
| July 22 | Forsyth, MO | Union Department of the West vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard | Union: 3-total ;Confederates: 15-total | USA |
| Aug 2 | Dug Springs, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek) | Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~12,000) | Union: 38-total (8 killed ); Confederates:84-total (40 killed) | USA |
| Aug 3 | Curran Post Office, MO (leadup to Wilson's Creek) | Union Department of the West (~6,000) vs. Confederate 1st Arkansas Rifles | Unknown | inconclusive |
| Aug 5 | Athens, MO | Union 21st MO Infantry, Home Guards (~500) vs. Confederate Missouri State Guard (~2,000 + 3-cannons) | Union 23-total (3-killed); Confederate 31-total | USA (USA outnumbered) |
| Aug 10 | Wilson's Creek, MO | Union Dept of the West (Lyon -5,430)vs. Confederate MO State Guard, Dept 2 (Price -12,120) | Union 1,317-total (285-killed incl Gen. Lyon); Confederates 1.232-total (277-killed) | CSA |
| Aug 10 | Potosi, MO | Union Home Guard (~75 troops) vs. Confederate cavalry (~120 troops) | Union 5-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-total (2-killed) | USA (USA outnumbered) |
| Aug 17 | Palmyra, MO | Union 16th Illinois (entrained) vs. Confederate guerillas | Union 2-total (1-killed); Confederates 5-killed | USA |
| Aug 29 | Morse's Mills near Lexington, MO | Union MO Home Guards vs. Confederate cavalry | Union unknown; Confederates unknown | CSA |
| Sep 2 | Dry Wood Creek, MO | Union Dept of the West (Lane ~1,200) vs. Confederate MO State Guard (Price ~12,000) | Union 25-total (2 killed); Confederates 14-total (5 killed) | CSA |
| Sep 17 | Blue Mills Landing, MO | Union 3rd Iowa & MO Home Guard (Scott ~800) & Confederate 4th Div Missouri Militia (Atchison ~3,500) | Union 99 (19-killed); Confederates 21-total (3-killed) | CSA |
| Sep 13-20 | Lexington, MO, 1st battle, aka: "Battle of the Hemp Bales" | Union Illinois 23rd Irish Brigade + 27 & 13th MO Infantry (Mulligan ~3,500) & Confederate Missouri Militia (Price ~15,000) | Union 3,000 surrendered (36-killed); Confederates 150-total (~30-killed) | CSA (Union surrender) |
| Sep 26 | Hunter's Farm, MO | Union Dep of the West (Steward under Grant ~200 & Confederate MO State Guard (under Thompson ~40) | Union none; Confederates 10-total (10-killed) | USA |
| Oct 21 | Fredericktown, MO | Union Ill & MO Infantry, IN cavalry (Plummer ~3,500) & Confederate Missouri State Guard (Thompson ~1,500) | Union 67-total (7-killed), Confederates 145-total (25-killed_ | USA (Union defeated Confederate ambush) |
| Oct 25 | Springfield, MO | Union: Fremont's scouts (Zagonyi -326) & Confederate MO State Guard (Frazier ~1,500) | Union 85-total (48-killed), Confederates 133-total (unkn-killed) | USA (USA outnumbered) |
| Dec 28 | Mount Zion Church, MO | Union Birge's Western Sharpshooters, 3rd MO Cav(Prentiss ~400) & Confederate MO State Guard (Dorsey ~235) | Union 70-total (3 dead), Confederates 235-total (25-killed) | USA |
| Jan 8 | Roan's Tan Yard, MO | Union MO & OH Cavalry (Torrence ~500) & Confederate MO State Guard (Poindexter ~1,000) | Union 27 total, Confederates ~80 total | USA |
| Aug 6-9 | Kirksville, MO | Union Cavalry (McNeill ~1,000, Confederate MO State Guard (Porter ~2,500) | Union 88-total (30-killed), Confederates ~368-total (200-killed) | USA (Union outnumbered) |
Virginia Engagements. 1861 - 1862 to date
| Date | Engagement | Military Units | Losses | Victor |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| May 18-19 | Sewell's Point, VA | Union naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery | 10 total | inconclusive |
| May 29- June 1 | Aquila Creek, VA | Union naval squadron vs Confederate shore artillery | 10 total | inconclusive |
| June 1 | Fairfax Court House, VA | detachments from CSA & USA armies | 8 on each side, 1 each killed | inconclusive |
| June 1 | Arlington Mills, VA | detachments from USA ( ~200 McDowell) & CSA (~9 Bonham) armies | Union 2-total (1 killed); CSA 1 wounded | inconclusive |
| June 10 | Big Bethel, VA | Union (Butler) -3,500, CSA (Magruder) -1,400 | Union 71-total (18-killed); CSA: 10-total (1-killed) | CSA (CSA outnumbered) |
| June 15 | Hooe's Ferry (near Mathias Point) VA | Union schooner Christina Keen; CSA Farmer's Fork Grays | none -- Christina Keen captured and burned | CSA |
| June 17 | Vienna, VA | Detachments from both Union & CSA armies | Union: 12-total (8 killed); CSA: none reported | CSA |
| June 27 | Matthias' Point, VA | Union gunboats ~50 vs. Confed garrison ~500 | Union: 1-killed, 4-wounded; CSA none | CSA |
| July 18 | Blackburn's Ford, VA (pre-Manassas) | Union Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Richardson) -3,000 vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -5,100 | Union: 83-total; CSA 70-total | CSA |
| July 21 | Bull Run/Manassas, VA | Union Department of NE Virginia (McDowell, Patterson) -54,000 (18,000 engaged) vs. Confederate Army of VA (Beauregard, Longstreet) -34,000 (18,000 engaged) | Union: 2,708-total (481-killed); CSA 1,897-total (387-killed) | CSA |
| Aug 7 | CSA burned Hampton, VA | Union (Butler) vs. Confederate Cavalry (Magruder) | Union unknown; Confederates unknown | CSA |
| Aug 8 | skirmish at Lovettsville, VA | Union vs. Confederate | Union unknown; Confederates 6-total | USA |
| Aug 25 | Mason's Hill, VA | Union (Lowe's observation balloon) vs. Confederate Army NVA (Longstreet, Stuart) | Union unknown; Confederates unknown | USA |
| Aug 31 | Munson's Hill, VA | Union Army of the Potomac vs. Confederate Dept of Northern VA | Union 5-total; Confederates unknown | USA |
| Sep 3 | Bailey's Cross Roads, VA | Union & Confederat detachments | Union 8-total; Confederates none | CSA |
| Sep 11 | Lewinsville, VA (McLean, Fairfax County) | Union 79th NY Highlanders (Stephens ~1,800) & Confederate 1st & 13th VA (JEB Stuart ~400) | Union 12-total (3-killed); Confederates none | CSA (CSA outnumbered) |
| Oct 21 | Ball's Bluff, VA | Union MA, NY, MI, MN & CA Infantry, RI Artillery (Stone -1,720) & Confederate VA & MS Infantry, VA cavalry & artillery (Evans -1,709) | Union 1,002-total, including Lt. Oliver Wendell Holmes (223-killed including US Senator Edward Baker R-OR)), Confederates 155-total (36-killed) | CSA |
| Nov 26 | Skirmish at Hunter's Mills, VA | Union 3rd PA Cavalry (Bell ~94) & Confederate 1st NC Cavalry (Ransome ~120) | Union 33-total (1-killed), Confederates unknown 0? | CSA |
| Dec 20 | Drainsville, VA | Union Pennsylvania Volunteers (Ord ~5,000) & Confederate VA, KY & NC Volunteers (Stuart ~4,000) | Union 71-total (?-killed), Confederates 230-total (?-killed) | USA (1st larger Union victory in VA) |
| Jan 3, 1862 | Cockpit Point, VA | Union gun boats (Wyman ) & Confederate shore battery (French ~50) | none | Inconclusive |
| Mar 8-9 | Hampton Roads, VA | Union Navy (Marsten, Worden, USS Monitor +11 ships) & Confederate Navy (Buchanan, Jones CSS Virginia +5 ships) | Union 369 total (261 killed, 7 ships sunk), Confederate 24 total (7- killed) | Inconclusive (Strategic USA) |
| Mar 23 | Kernstown, VA | Union Army of Potomac V Corps (Kimball ~9,000) & Confederate Stonewall Division (Jackson ~4,200) | Union 590 total (118-killed), Confederate 718 total (80- killed) | USA tactical, CSA strategoc |
| April 5 - May 4 | Yorktown, VA | Union Army of the Potomac (McClellan ~103,000) & Confederate Army (Magruder, JE Johnson ~72,000) | Union 182-total (unkn-killed), Confederate 300-total (unkn killed) | Inconclusive, Confederates retreated |
| May 5 | Williamsburg, VA | Union Army of the Potomac (McClellan ~41,000), Confederate Army of Northern VA (JE Johnston, Longstreet ~32,000) | Union 2,283-total (~342-KIA), Confederates 1,682-total (~252 kia) | Inconclusive (Confederates withdrew) |
| May 7 | Eltham's Landing, VA | Union Army of the Potomac (Franklin ~11,300), Confederate Army of Northern VA (GW Smith ~11,000) | Union 194-total (~29 killed), Confederates 48-total (~7-killed) | Inconclusive (Confederates withdrew) |
| May 8 | McDowell, VA | Union OH & WVA infantry (Milroy, Schenck ~6,500), Confederate Virginia Infantry (Stonewall Jackson, E Johnson ~9,000) | Union 259-total (~28 killed), Confederates 532-total (~146-killed) | CSA |
| May 15 | Fort Darling, VA | Union VA River Squadron (Rogers 5-river warships), Confederate fort (Farrand, Mahone -fort artillery) | Union 27-total (14-killed), Confederates 15-total (7-killed) | CSA |
| May 23 | Front Royal, VA | Union Dept of Shenandoah (Kenly ~1,063), Confederate Army of the Valley (Stonewall Jackson ~3,0000) | Union 773-total (83-killed), Confederates 36-total (unkwn-killed) | CSA |
| May 25 | Winchester, VA | Union Dept of Shenandoah (Banks ~6,500), Confederate Army of the Valley (Stonewall Jackson ~16,0000) | Union 2,019-total (62-killed), Confederates 397-total (68-killed) | CSA |
| May 27 | Hanover Court House, VA | Union V-Corps (Porter ~12,000), Confederate NC Infantry (Branch ~4,0000) | Union 397-total (62-killed), Confederates 930-total (70-killed) | USA |
| May 31 - June 1 | Seven Pines / Fair Oaks, VA | Union Army of the Potomac (McClellan ~34,000), Confederate Army of Northern VA (JE Johnston ~39,000) | Union 5,431-total (790-killed), Confederates 6,134-total (980-killed) | Inconclusive (both sides claimed victory) |
| June 6 | Good's Farm, Harrisonburg, VA | Union PA Inf, NJ Cav, Confederate Steuart's VA Inf (Ashby+) | Unknown | CSA |
| June 8 | Cross Keys, VA | Union Mountain Dept, (Fremont ~11,500), Confederate Army of the Valley (Ewell ~5,800) | Union 684-total (114-killed), Confederates 287-total (42-killed) | CSA |
| June 9 | Port Republic, VA | Union Dept of Rappahonnock (Tyler ~3,500), Confederate Army of the Valley (Stonewall Jackson ~6,000) | Union 1,002-total (150?-killed), Confederates 816-total (122?-killed) | CSA (CSA outnumbered) |
| June 25 - Jul 1 | Seven Days, near Richmond, VA | Union Army of Potomac (McClellan ~115,000), Confederate Army of N VA (Lee ~92,000) | Union ~18,000-total (2,100-killed), Confederates ~19,000-total, (~3,200-killed) | CSA |
| July 3 | Evelington Heights, VA | Union Army of Potomac, Confederate Army of N VA -- monor skirmish | no casualties reported | USA |
| Aug 9 | Cedar Mountain, VA | Union Army of VA (Banks -8,030, Confederate Army of NVA ("Stonewall" Jackson -16,868) | Union 2,353-total (314-killed), Confederates ~1,338-total (231-killed) | CSA |
These bring the totals (by my count) to 131 engagements, 60 Union victories, 53 Confederate victories, 18 inconclusive. 63 engagements were fought in Union states & territories, 68 in Confederate states:
Summary of Civil War Engagements as of August 9, 1862:
Engagements in Confederate states:
| State | Union Victories | Confederate Victories | Inconclusive | Total Engagements |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| South Carolina | 2 | 2 | 1 | 5 |
| Virginia | 7 | 20 | 10 | 37 |
| North Carolina | 5 | 1 | 0 | 6 |
| Florida | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Louisiana | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 |
| Tennessee | 5 | 3 | 0 | 8 |
| Arkansas | 4 | 0 | 1 | 5 |
| Georgia | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Mississippi | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Total Engagements in CSA | 29 | 27 | 12 | 68 |
Engagements in Union states/territories:
| State | Union Victories | Confederate Victories | Inconclusive | Total Engagements |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Maryland | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| West Virginia | 9 | 3 | 2 | 14 |
| Missouri | 12 | 9 | 1 | 22 |
| New Mexico | 5 | 8 | 0 | 13 |
| Kentucky | 4 | 3 | 2 | 9 |
| Oklahoma | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 |
| Total Engagements in Union | 31 | 26 | 6 | 63 |
| Total Engagements to date | 60 | 53 | 18 | 131 |
Casualties on both sides (again by my count) now total over 145,000 including at least 18,000 killed in action.
When, exactly, he will decide to join, we don't know, but the 119th will begin to organize in September, 1862.
It will serve until August 26, 1865.
This statement is built on a lie. This is just like the liberal crap we see in Washington DC where Trump led an "insurrection."
Same liberal liars, same liberal lie.
There was no effort to "destroy the government." The effort was to get *THAT* government's boot off of other people's necks.
And stop pinging me to these huge Homer J Simpson threads. They take far too long to load on my machine. I don't have high speed internet, I have slow RF link internet that only guarantees 120 KILO-bytes per second. That's *KILO*, not *MEGA*.
And yet, in the war's first year more battles were fought in Union states & territories than in Confederate states, and more Confederate soldiers died in battle in the Union than in the Confederacy.
Further, from Day One, Confederate armies threatened to capture Washington, DC., and as much of the government there as possible, then drive out the remainder.
Further still, you yourself contradict your own argument here, every time you claim that the "real reasons" for war were economic, not slavery, and that if the Union didn't feel threatened economically then they would have just "let the Confederacy go", slavery or no slavery, right?
And then, there's this -- Union states & territories claimed & invaded by Confederate armies included:
The US Civil War was easily the greatest existential threat Americans ever faced.
Confederate States of America, proposed slave-Empire of the Golden Circle, circa 1890.
DiogenesLamp: "And stop pinging me to these huge Homer J Simpson threads.
They take far too long to load on my machine.
I don't have high speed internet,
I have slow RF link internet that only guarantees 120 KILO-bytes per second.
That's *KILO*, not *MEGA*."
Right, no worries because Homer's daily NY Times threads are much shorter than his weekly Harpers' threads.
They are also vastly shorter than your own thread on "The Real Cause of the Civil War".
So you should have no trouble with these, right?
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