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In Israeli Desert, Archaeologists Find One of the Oldest Known Mosques
Smithsonian Magazine ^ | June 24, 2022 | Jane Recker

Posted on 07/03/2022 7:55:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Near the newly-discovered mosque are the ruins of a very different structure: a “strangely magnificent mansion” that may have belonged to wealthy Byzantine Christians, per Haaretz. At around 10,000 square feet, it had frescoed walls, stone pavement, plaster floors and expensive tableware and glassware.

The structure also had two ovens, one of which was quite large. Because of its size, along with the fact that it was beside a water cistern, excavation director Elena Kogan-Zehavi hypothesizes that the inhabitants were making soap—which perhaps explains their wealth.

“Israel, according to Islamic historians, is one of the areas where soap was made and exported throughout the Islamic world,” she tells Haaretz. “The actual recipe for the soap would be kept secret and passed down through generations, and made some families very rich.”

(Excerpt) Read more at smithsonianmag.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: byzantineempire; godsgravesglyphs; israel; romanempire
Jane Recker has written for Washingtonian Magazine and the Chicago Sun-Times. She is a graduate of Northwestern University and holds degrees in journalism and opera.
Jane Recker has written for Washingtonian Magazine and the Chicago Sun-Times. She is a graduate of Northwestern University and holds degrees in journalism and opera.



1 posted on 07/03/2022 7:55:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 07/03/2022 7:55:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Jane has beautiful teeth!


3 posted on 07/03/2022 7:59:02 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522

I wholeheartedly ag- oh, teeth... yeah, that too...


4 posted on 07/03/2022 8:02:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv
“Israel, according to Islamic historians, is one of the areas where soap was made and exported throughout the Islamic world”

Never to be used.

5 posted on 07/03/2022 8:04:33 AM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Ken522

Yes, her teeth caught my eye immediately. Then I looked at them more closely and was so impressed. Gorgeous clackers. She’s a very pretty lass and I love that tilt of the head, over the shoulder smile. Sigh.


6 posted on 07/03/2022 8:04:47 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Read the title too quickly. I thought it said mosquitoes.


7 posted on 07/03/2022 8:16:08 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: SunkenCiv

...two ovens, one of which was quite large...

Heh Jane, mebe the Islamist’s were burning the Jews, ever think of that....


8 posted on 07/03/2022 8:24:17 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: noiseman

““Israel, according to Islamic historians, is one of the areas where soap was made and exported throughout the Islamic world”
Never to be used.”

I heard the same thing about toilet paper.

Thomas Crapper invented the toilet and exported throughout the Islamic world, but muslims never got further on installing them than making the hole in the floor.


9 posted on 07/03/2022 8:39:57 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: SunkenCiv
While Islam began around 610 in today’s Saudi Arabia, it wasn’t until the ninth century that it became the majority religion in Israel.
Funny thing, that beginning:

Islam didn't actually begin "around 610" until the ninth century; i.e., when they made up that it actually began in 610.
10 posted on 07/03/2022 8:43:10 AM PDT by nicollo (arbitrary law is not rule of law)
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To: SunkenCiv

was it blown up?


11 posted on 07/03/2022 8:55:28 AM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Karliner

There’s two of these tiny mosques, so, probably they regarded each other as apostate, and fought toward mutual extinction, until some big dog came into the area and annihilated both. :^)


12 posted on 07/03/2022 9:00:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Ken522

And at leasr one attractive dimple.


13 posted on 07/03/2022 9:18:04 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (I'll be good, I will, I will!)
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To: SunkenCiv

There is only one region in Israel and that is Judism. And it is the solitarty religion in Israel by history and also by right of conquest.

May the temple fo Solomon be rebuilt on the Tmple Mount of Jerusalem.

Nothing that archeologists dig up will change that fact.


14 posted on 07/03/2022 10:18:45 AM PDT by Candor7 (ObamaFascism:https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Ken522

She definitely looks Not Guilty.


15 posted on 07/03/2022 10:28:16 AM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Sodomy is nothing to be proud of.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Who knew Arabs used soap?


16 posted on 07/03/2022 10:31:57 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SunkenCiv
They've never dated a mosque with a "mirhab" (apse) to before 708 AD. So either this one sets a new record for the oldest mirhab or it was built in 708 or after. Since this is basically "a little country church," my money's on after.

Also, the apse isn't facing due south. You can tell from the compass rose on the diagram from the Israeli Antiquities Agency (here) that it's a little east of south, about 175°. The compass heading from there to Mecca is 154°.

That's a 19° difference. Archaeologists state the Muhammadans were unusually precise (for the period) with the orientation of the apses, 50% being within 3° of the compass heading to Mecca and 80% within 5°. So either this was an outlier or it was never intended to be pointing toward Mecca.

In his documentary, Islam: The Untold Story, author Tom Holland is shown to the ruins of an early mosque (+/- 100 years after Muhammad's death) in Israel by Antiquities Authority archaeologist Dr. Tali Erickson-Gini (about 40 minutes into the video). That particular mosque has its apse facing to the east, which she remarks was not uncommon among early mosques, giving her to speculate that they simply might not have yet decided which direction they were supposed to be praying in.

There is no surviving evidence linking the desert sanctuary mentioned in the Quran with the city of Mecca until more than a century after Muhammad's death. Holland speculates that the location of Mecca was chosen out of political expediency by early 8th century Arab leaders who were intent on co-opting Islam to use as a social control over the masses. He offers that Mecca in particular might have been chosen because at that time it was free from any contamination from Jews or Christians.

In any case the Muhammadans have nothing but camp fire stories to support their claim that Mecca was this desert sanctuary.

17 posted on 07/03/2022 3:33:52 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

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18 posted on 07/03/2022 8:57:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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