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Posted on 03/02/2022 12:56:32 PM PST by Red Badger
Tesla CEO Elon Musk responded today to a tweet from one of his prominent supporters - Whole Mars Catalog - related to the range of electric cars.
Whole Mars Catalog wrote that Lucid delivered the first series-produced electric car with a range of roughly 500 miles (EPA range), but Tesla "will be the first to mass-produce one."
The longest-range version of the Lucid Air has an EPA Combined range of 520 miles (837 km). The longest range Tesla Model S has an EPA Combined range of 405 miles (652 km).
Well, Elon Musk responded that a 600-mile (965 km) Tesla Model S could've been made 12 months ago (let's assume February 2021), but "that would’ve made the product worse."
Elon Musk pointed out that it would essentially require a higher battery capacity, which would mean a bigger, heavier, and more expensive battery pack. This battery would be "unneeded" on a daily basis, as even the current 400+ mile range is more than enough. Handling and efficiency would be substantially affected too with a bigger battery.
It's not the first time when Elon Musk cooled down expectations, which exceeds rationality and we fully agree with that.
Electric cars are already quite heavy (usually heavier than internal combustion engine counterparts) and expensive, so the right way to do this is to address those issues first, instead of increasing the range to such high values. Especially since the fast-charging networks are growing nicely.
Tesla appears to be on the right path in terms of range balance and weight-reduction approaches through the introduction of a structural battery pack (the weight of the remaining structure of the car would be lowered).
This is one of the most important directions for the mainstream electric car market, in terms of costs, performance, and also the environment.
After crossing 400 miles (300 miles in many cases), the race to extend the range is not the priority. It might be in some niche segments, including luxury cars like the Lucid Air, but even in the case of Lucid, many customers preferred the Performance version of the car (with about 50 miles less EPA range) instead of the Range version of the car.
Some range race probably is ahead of us in the case of vehicles that have to tow - they really need bigger batteries to work in challenging conditions.
Race-prepped Demon versus street sedan:
Again their car is far more expansive than Tesla's.
Again how many cars did they sell last year while Tesla was totally dominating the US EV car market with a stunning over 70% market share?
Not many. An insignificant Lucid market share.
Tesla's junk in comparison.
Show me any product category where a “junk” product grabs over 70% marker share like Tesla has in the EV market. Especially since the then huge GM started making EVs even before Tesla was founded.
That Lucid has superior battery technology speaks volumes of its engineering level.
Nonsense!
What market have they ever dominated?
You Tesla fanboys are somethin’ else....
Now that coming from a fellow who's spent his entire time posting Lucid fanboy nonsense on this thread, is very funny.
How old is Lucid?
About 15 years
Founded in 2007
“What if I want to drive for 12 hours straight, like I can with an ICE car, making brief gas, snack and potty breaks? I don’t want to have to stop for an hour or two every 4 or 5 hours. 15 minutes is enough with ICE.”
Tesla can charge 200 miles range in 15 minutes. That is three stops for a total of 45 minutes.
Tesla, Inc.
Age
18 years
July 1, 2003
I’ll type slowly so you can grasp...
Lucid just released their first car only a few months ago.
Tesla has released multiple models over many years.
Lucid’s FIRST new car is light years superior to all of Tesla’s models in terms of
- Battery technology
- Construction quality
- Uber premium luxury materials
TRUE -— Spoke on the phone with my young Tesla owning relative last week. He lives in Nashville with wife and baby. Wife needed to see family in really rural Kentucky where there are no EV charging stations.
So...... They all three drive down to Bowling Green Kentucky. Park their Tesla at an EV charging station at a supermarket and notify NO ONE! ... They then drive a rental car to rural Kentucky, where they visit with her family for two freaking weeks because a grandfather was on his deathbed. But an all around family visit I suppose.
Two weeks later they get back to their Tesla parked in Bowling Green and drive back home to Nashville. I told him he was lucky his Tesla was not molested or towed away.
“Lucid’s FIRST new car is light years superior to all of Tesla’s models in terms of:”
How many on the road
That’s interesting. I thought you could charge a Tesla on 110volt /15power but it takes about 100 hours which should have worked for them.
Tesla, Inc.
Age
18 years
July 1, 2003
How old is Lucid?
About 15 years
Founded in 2007
There is an age difference of just 3 years, so how come Tesla is totally DOMINATING the EV market (over 70 % EV market share 2021) and Lucid has a tiny, irrelevant market share, Mister Lucid Fanboy?
“That’s interesting. I thought you could charge a Tesla on 110volt /15power but it takes about 100 hours which should have worked for them.”
He has owned this Tesla for three years and that wuz how he did it. He knows more than me. Or perhaps they did not want to show up in very rural Kentucky in an expensive Tesla and have to answer questions.from a thousand gawkers. I dunno. But all he mentioned was lack of charging stations.
I remember going to “very rural Kentucky” to work on an earthmover very early in my engineering career, and asking “what is all this white stuff in the creek”.
“That’s toilet paper son, we don’t have no sewers here”
“If your EV runs out of battery power, you can pump away on your generator bike and recharge your vehicle.”
LOL! HAHA!
Just like the ESPN commercial where Lance Armstrong is powering the building pedaling a trainer.
ROTFLMAO!
/sarc.off/
Start your own business!
https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/help-ev-drivers-stuck-without-charge
And here -
Too bad they Don’t have this service for cars that run out of gas.
AAA baby! They’ll bring out 5 gallons for FREE!
Driving a straight road with little or no traffic with an ambient temperature of 70 degrees and no need for A/C heating, defrosting or lights... sure several hundred miles. However, a day with temperatures in the 30s with wet snow necessitating the use of lights, wipers, defroster and heater...mileage may vary. Ditto for driving across South Dakota in midsummer with temperatures in the triple digits making A\C a necessity. Good luck cruising in Northern Minnesota in January with temperatures in the -25 below range.
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