Posted on 02/24/2022 4:25:32 AM PST by cotton1706
I really don't care.
Where's the UN??
My thoughts exactly! I could not care less after Ukraine screwed over our last president who was the only person willing to actually defend them. Ukraine reaps what they’ve sown and it’s more of a European problem so we should just back off and open our pipelines back up.
Just that nobody knows how this will end up.
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Imagine what might happen if one missile has a programming error. Think of the potential consequences.
The possibilities for mistakes and errors in judgement are manifold.
But not to worry. Brandon is on top of everything.
So, what are the Europeans going to do about this? After all, this is THEIR backyard! All the screaming I am hearing is coming from American Dems and RINO’s.
To sell their books, podcasts, etc., they make ridiculous prognostications, saying the most outlandish things hoping to be right.
I guess all that money paid to Hunger Bitme didn’t get them all that much.
Worst Planned WWIII ever.... typical.
Worst Wold Cup ever.
The thing about Ukraine, there is highway from all the EU to Kiev and Kiev to Madrid. The boarder at poland isnt really a chalenge to get through, chain link and a ton of polish troops wanting to use an anti tank missle. Ukrainian immigrants already changed the EU for the better for the past 30 years, the EU accepts non europeans, it cannot reject Ukrainians. The residents all have a credit card, a uncle in spain or greece and a car. It is not like the olden days, the population can load up the car and drive to spain and afford the cheaper VRBOs.
The Ukrainian military should be able to make enough bloodshed with the russians that the russian military will not be happy with their old school leadership. Their sergents are just as additcted to cell phones and warm meals as the Germans and the US Armys 101st airbornes are. Stories from the front lines will be delivered to population who dont remember any of the soviet glory days.
I dont understand how putin can think he can keep this limited, his navy will be blockaded out of all its ports as soon as NATO declares this to be a war. Sink a german or UK ship and the cost is world war.
He then has to attack a NATO member in a unrevivable way to keep his navy moving, even Putin knows that will not end well for him. His 45-65 year old russian non sub navy captains do no longer have the skills of the cold war warriors, they have been doing coast guard duty for 25 years. I have seen zero reports that the russian navy did any workup.
The russian submarine force would make the world spicy but the surface combatant fleet has way to many refuel and resupply challenges without the friends and neutrals they counted on 1989.
NATO has been at a amazing operational pace since 9/11/2001, while the russians have been very limited in operations in syria. If there was anything happening in the south china sea or the straits of taiwan that work up takes months. 3/4 of Chinas merchant fleet is either waiting for a unload time at or on a slow cruise to the EU or NA ports.
Want to stop Putin today, threaten CA and NY real estate owned by any russian. The wealth of russia is offshore, even Putins supporters really dont trust him.
Germans are backstabbing liars. Its a national tradition. . . for centuries.
Europe wasn’t going to do anything about this as they’ve proved for decades. Actually Ukraines President knew very well Ukraine was on it’s own. And like Ukrainians are saying now...He should have done more. The guy kept thinking Nato was going to come to it’s defense.....or the UN would step in.
“Anyone predicting anything is likely to eat a lot of crow and ruined reputations.”
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There’s nothing wrong with predicting. People predict things on this forum everyday. It promotes and provokes debate, thought and the exchange of ideas. How is that a bad thing in a world where so much information is controlled, sanitized, shaded and concealed by the media?
In what way?
That’s why she sounded like a war hawk, someone who didn’t like me saying this could blow over quickly.
I’m just waiting for Biden to declare “Peace in our time”
How could a guy living so close to Russia not understand how sensitive/paranoid the country is about its border security?
Rightly or wrongly, because of what’s happened in history that’s how they are.
Be very careful when you poke a bear who lives in the woods next to your house.
I just recently learned that Ukraine does have a large Neo Nazi presence. Even a right wing extremist Neo Nazi Ukrainian national Guard unit. The Azov Special Operations unit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
I wonder if Biden knows this? Because he told us these types are the greatest threat to our American way of life? So why an ally of them? It’s all so confusing.
The meat puppet remains clueless
Strategy for what?
You seem to believe that America and especially Joe Biden could do anything at all to dissuade Putin’s intended actions on the two separatist states.
The media is pretending that Biden is relevant when he most certainly is not
Their President is an idiot....unfortunately I doubt he really has much say about the situation as too many outsiders are calling their shots and he listens as long as the revenue flows.
BTW Gas stations have lines traffic ......and lines of people at their banks in Ukraine.
[Ultimately those weapons would wind up in Russian hands.
Just like the $80B of weapons left behind in Afghanistan.]
After WWII, Ukrainian rebels fought hard against the Soviets, despite a Soviet policy of large scale massacres against civilians.
Areas of UPA activity were depopulated. The estimates on numbers deported vary; officially Soviet archives state that between 1944 and 1952 a total of 182,543 people[94][95] were deported while other sources indicate the number may have been as high as to 500,000.[96]
Mass arrests of suspected UPA informants or family members were conducted; between February 1944 and May 1946 over 250,000 people were arrested in Western Ukraine.[97] Those arrested typically experienced beatings or other violence. Those suspected of being UPA members underwent torture; reports exist of some prisoners being burned alive. The many arrested women believed to be affiliating with the UPA were subjected to torture, deprivation, and rape at the hands of Soviet security in order to “break” them and get them to reveal UPA members’ identities and locations or to turn them into Soviet double-agents.[63] Mutilated corpses of captured rebels were put on public display.[73] Ultimately, between 1944 and 1952 alone as many as 600,000 people may have been arrested in Western Ukraine, with about one third executed and the rest imprisoned or exiled.[98]
Roman Shukhevych, the leader of the UPA
The UPA responded to the Soviet methods by unleashing their own terror against Soviet activists, suspected collaborators and their families. This work was particularly attributed to the Sluzhba Bezbeky (SB), the anti-espionage wing of the UPA. In a typical incident in Lviv region, in front of horrified villagers, UPA troops gouged out the eyes of two entire families suspected of reporting on insurgent movements to Soviet authorities, before hacking their bodies to pieces. Due to public outrage concerning these violent punitive acts, the UPA stopped the practice of killing the families of collaborators by mid-1945. Other victims of the UPA included Soviet activists sent to Galicia from other parts of the Soviet Union; heads of village Soviets, those sheltering or feeding Red Army personnel, and even people turning food in to collective farms. The effect of such terrorist acts was such that people refused to take posts as village heads, and until the late 1940s villages chose single men with no dependants as their leaders.[73]: 109
The UPA also proved to be especially adept at assassinating key Soviet administrative officials. According to NKVD data, between February 1944 and December 1946 11,725 Soviet officers, agents and collaborators were assassinated and 2,401 were “missing”, presumed kidnapped, in Western Ukraine.[73]: 113–114 In one county in Lviv region alone, from August 1944 until January 1945 Ukrainian rebels killed 10 members of the Soviet active and a secretary of the county Communist party, and also kidnapped four other officials. The UPA travelled at will throughout the area. In this county, there were no courts, no prosecutor’s office, and the local NKVD only had three staff members.[73]: 113–114
According to a 1946 report by Khrushchev’s deputy for West Ukrainian affairs A.A. Stoiantsev, out of 42,175 operations and ambushes against the UPA by Destruction battalions in Western Ukraine, only 10 percent had positive results – in the vast majority there was either no contact or the individual unit was disarmed and pro-Soviet leaders murdered or kidnapped.[73]: 123 Morale amongst the NKVD in Western Ukraine was particularly low. Even within the dangerous context of Soviet state service in the late-Stalin era, West Ukraine was considered to be a “hardship post”, and personnel files reveal higher rates of transfer requests, alcoholism, nervous breakdowns, and refusal to serve among NKVD field agents there at that time.[73]: 120
The first success of the Soviet authorities came in early 1946 in the Carpathians, which were blockaded from 11 January until 10 April. The UPA operating there ceased to exist as a combat unit.[99] The continuous heavy casualties elsewhere forced the UPA to split into small units consisting of 100 soldiers. Many of the troops demobilized and returned home, when the Soviet Union offered three amnesties during 1947–1948.[85]
By 1946, the UPA was reduced to a core group of 5–10 thousand fighters, and large-scale UPA activity shifted to the Soviet-Polish border. Here, in 1947, they killed the Polish Communist deputy defence minister General Karol Świerczewski. In spring 1946, the OUN/UPA established contacts with the Intelligence services of France, Great Britain and the USA.[100] ]
Exactly. Europe just wants/expects the U.S. to do their heavy lifting for them. If I was an European I would probably see it the same way.
They’ll call us ‘friends’ when they need us to supply them and do the dirty work. Mostly on our dime, of course.
[The wealth of russia is offshore, even Putins supporters really dont trust him.]
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