Posted on 02/22/2022 7:16:09 PM PST by End Times Sentinel
Folks,
Due to a number of painfully obvious factors, I've decided to add an EDC firearm to my repertoire.
Firearms wise, a Sig Sauer P365 or a S&W Airweight 38 are in the lead. Yes, I know these are designed for a woman to carry in her lady-bits. However, in my situation, simply being able to return fire will be plenty 99% of the time, if not, I have other man sized weapons I can bring.
I need something to carry without fail, comfort and concealability are far and away the most important.
Gun safe wise, from time to time, I need to attend/enter places with metal detectors and need a place to temporarily stow a fire arm. Never long term, but for a couple of hours attending a sporting event, PTA meeting, something that could spiral out of control if a little person with a small brain and a tiny amount of authority discovered any subterfuge.
Any advice will be much appreciated and I hope to weigh it all over the next day or so before making a purchase.
“or have someone weld a lockbox to the frame.”
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Both guns you suggested are good options. They will put down most predators of the four legged and two legged variety.
If I'm rolling heavy, a Glock 19 with two extra mags. I'm in the process of building a 300 Blackout as an anti-Antifa weapon for the car.
Great choice! If you miss at close range the blast and noise will make them blind and deaf anyway, frequently eliminating the need for further action.
I have an LCP. I carry it in my pocket in a Sticky holster. The trigger is very heavy making accidental discharges unlikely. My wife can’t rack the slide. It goes bang every time.
I live in SW Florida, so shorts and very light shirts are the uniform. The LCP is very easy to pocket carry. I have a Sig P238 as well. The fit, finish and trigger are much nicer than the Ruger, but the LCP carries a little flatter.
Agree!
Through bolt to trunk floor is the preferred option, however may require dropping the fuel tank to install. This is how it’s done on LEO vehicles.
Look at a Console Vault. These are built to fit inside you existing vehicle console and have a combination lock. They are designed for a surprisingly wide number of common vehicles. I have one in my Toyota van. Very large. Not perfect but it is well concealed and provides at least some feeling of security. Much better than a cable attached lock box. Sometimes I use both to separate ammo from firearms in states without concealed carry reciprocity. Look at a Ruger LCP for the most comfortable concealed carry experience. With the right pocket holster it does not print when dropped in your pants pocket and is light enough to not pull your pants down.
I always recommend getting the .357 version of the LCR. You can still use .38 ammo of any type, and it’s slightly heavier so less felt recoil with .38 rounds. Plus, you can stuff full-house magnum loads in it, if you like.
A Springfield Armory 9mm (Hellcat) now comes with a MANUAL safety, and loads 13-15 rounds. A perfect weapon for $600.
It is ALL about what your train for.
I GREW UP (from age 14) with guns. I hunted a lot for 20 years. While going through the woods, I kept my gun on safety. Other people (hunters) would say, hey, if you get a shot, it will take too long to turn off the safety, etc....
When I move to the shooting position (i.e. aim) i am simultaneously turning the safety off, it’s off before i can shoot (doing 2 things at once). Once you train this way, it’s automatic.
Now, let me tell you that other hunters who carry off safety have been shot BY THEIR OWN GUNS or OTHERS GUNS WHO CARRY WITHOUT SAFETY ON.
It happens often - just look into hunting deaths. I know of a situation of someone who was going through a fence and as he leaned over to get through the barbed wire fence a branch touched the trigger, and killed his buddy. There are many stories like this - dropped guns, accidental shootings, etc.
When you are carrying chambered with no safety you are VIOLATING the rules of gun safety. Which one?
NEVER point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot - most of the time the gun is pointed at yourself as it’s carried in the pocket/purse. Also in an real situation, you may because of nerves purchase the gun wrong and cause an AD.
It’s stupid. Train on racking or buy a gun with a safety if you are concealed. If you are hoisted with a trigger guard, I can see that, but deep concealed cocked and unlocked?
YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT
No, Kenosha was NOT a situation for concealed carry.
In CC, you are going about your business in a normal situation.
He was at a place where people were LOOKING to pick somebody off. That’s not a normal situation for CC.
IF you are at a PROTEST or RIOT or CIVIL INSURRRECTION, that’s a different matter.
Just like should you conceal or not - It varies by the situation.
Otherwise, I would be carrying the entire contents of my Gun Vault. (would need a u-haul training behind me)
I think you’ll find the Ruger to be a bit “snappy”. I’ve had the opportunity to fire the Ruger and I thought it had a tendency to throw the barrel upwards.
I have the Sig 365 SAS which has the sights inset into the slide so there is no post to snag on clothing. It DOES take some getting used to if you try to obtain a sight picture, but most of the time an EDC weapon is more point and shoot.
You may consider a Sig 320 Compact if you want a medium frame weapon. It’s still concealable and yet has a larger frame for stability.
I would take a serious look at the SW Shield EZ in 9mm. It;s lightweight, it carrys a good punch, and it’s great for people with arthritis, easy to rack slide and easy to load magazines. I have one, about to get another for my GF.
I GREW UP (from age 14) with guns. I hunted a lot for 20 years. While going through the woods, I kept my gun on safety. Other people (hunters) would say, hey, if you get a shot, it will take too long to turn off the safety, etc....
When I move to the shooting position (i.e. aim) i am simultaneously turning the safety off, it’s off before i can shoot (doing 2 things at once). Once you train this way, it’s automatic.
Now, let me tell you that other hunters who carry off safety have been shot BY THEIR OWN GUNS or OTHERS GUNS WHO CARRY WITHOUT SAFETY ON. It happens often - just look into hunting deaths. I know of a situation of someone who was going through a fence and as he leaned over to get through the barbed wire fence a branch touched the trigger, and killed his buddy. There are many stories like this - dropped guns, accidental shootings, etc.
When you are carrying chambered with no safety you are VIOLATING the rules of gun safety. Which one?
NEVER point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot - most of the time the gun is pointed at yourself as it’s carried in the pocket/purse. Also in an real situation, you may because of nerves purchase the gun wrong and cause an AD.
It’s stupid. Train on racking or buy a gun with a safety if you are concealed. If you are hoisted with a trigger guard, I can see that, but deep concealed cocked and unlocked?
YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT
You're right...it is all about what you train for. I'm retired military and LE. Most police departments use a Glock 22 or a Glock 17. Every police department carries with one in the chamber. When I was in the military, we always carried our M-9 with one in the chamber, even during training exercises. Same goes for any person who feels confident about their firearms handling skills. That's how the real world operates.
Hunting is a totally different situation, not to be compared with concealed or open carry for personal defense.
Carrying chambered is not violating any rule of safety, if done properly, i.e. pistol holstered with the trigger area covered.
No sane person goes around with an empty chamber. That's when you're asking for it.
Agreed,
38/357 is the most
Versatile of calibers too.
I have some age and medical issues that make a revolver a better choice most of the time (but not always). How about you.
I never just drop a handgun in my pocket. Even with a mouse gun (NAA Sidewinder) I use a pocket holster.
I place a lockable case in a secure storage area liker a trunk. I place the weapon there prior to arrival at the place where I have inability to carry.
“..No sane person goes around with an empty chamber. That’s when you’re asking for it...”
^THIS^
A hyped-up, drug-induced screaming maniac can cover 20’ in less than 3 seconds, and I have the scars to prove it. I didn’t even have time to figure out what was going on, let alone react/draw. Fortunately, people helped pull him off me.
Can a person pull from cc, rack a slide, drop a safety and get on target in less than 3 seconds? Maybe a few that combat shoot or shoot USPSA, on a regular basis, and they’d be the exception.
There’s a reason I carry a revolver: draw, point, shoot. I will sometimes rotate it out to a semi-auto but it will be a Glock, or something similar that I’ve trained with, with one in the tube: again; draw, point, shoot.
There’s a whole lot more to it than just CC. It’s responsibility, training, practice, skill etc. But even more so, it’s situational awareness, which IMHO, is way more important. Being aware of my surroundings and whose approaching or inside my personal safe zone vs their intent/actions. Avoiding areas and situations that are conducive to an assault. Can I deescalate the situation by just walking away without confrontation? Words and spit may piss me off, but they’re not immediate life threatening. The very last thing anyone should ever have to do is shoot someone in self defense, or worse; in anger.
A life or death situation with no way out facing me or one of my loved ones? Especially inside our home? You betcha in a heartbeat (no pun intended). And, oh, BTW, IF you do use it, and even if you’re 110% in the right, be prepared for about $15K in legal fees, and you’ll most likely never see that $900 Sig ever again. Not to mention having to live with the aftermath.
From:
https://dracutgunrange.com/product/sig-sauer-p365-tac-pac/
Sig Sauer P365 Tac Pac No Safety; this model is NOT MA compliant (no safety).
I thought many guns have no manual safety including this one, except where required by law.
The 365 is also double action, as I stated.
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