I GREW UP (from age 14) with guns. I hunted a lot for 20 years. While going through the woods, I kept my gun on safety. Other people (hunters) would say, hey, if you get a shot, it will take too long to turn off the safety, etc....
When I move to the shooting position (i.e. aim) i am simultaneously turning the safety off, it’s off before i can shoot (doing 2 things at once). Once you train this way, it’s automatic.
Now, let me tell you that other hunters who carry off safety have been shot BY THEIR OWN GUNS or OTHERS GUNS WHO CARRY WITHOUT SAFETY ON. It happens often - just look into hunting deaths. I know of a situation of someone who was going through a fence and as he leaned over to get through the barbed wire fence a branch touched the trigger, and killed his buddy. There are many stories like this - dropped guns, accidental shootings, etc.
When you are carrying chambered with no safety you are VIOLATING the rules of gun safety. Which one?
NEVER point a gun at anything you don’t want to shoot - most of the time the gun is pointed at yourself as it’s carried in the pocket/purse. Also in an real situation, you may because of nerves purchase the gun wrong and cause an AD.
It’s stupid. Train on racking or buy a gun with a safety if you are concealed. If you are hoisted with a trigger guard, I can see that, but deep concealed cocked and unlocked?
YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT
You're right...it is all about what you train for. I'm retired military and LE. Most police departments use a Glock 22 or a Glock 17. Every police department carries with one in the chamber. When I was in the military, we always carried our M-9 with one in the chamber, even during training exercises. Same goes for any person who feels confident about their firearms handling skills. That's how the real world operates.
Hunting is a totally different situation, not to be compared with concealed or open carry for personal defense.
Carrying chambered is not violating any rule of safety, if done properly, i.e. pistol holstered with the trigger area covered.
No sane person goes around with an empty chamber. That's when you're asking for it.
“..No sane person goes around with an empty chamber. That’s when you’re asking for it...”
^THIS^
A hyped-up, drug-induced screaming maniac can cover 20’ in less than 3 seconds, and I have the scars to prove it. I didn’t even have time to figure out what was going on, let alone react/draw. Fortunately, people helped pull him off me.
Can a person pull from cc, rack a slide, drop a safety and get on target in less than 3 seconds? Maybe a few that combat shoot or shoot USPSA, on a regular basis, and they’d be the exception.
There’s a reason I carry a revolver: draw, point, shoot. I will sometimes rotate it out to a semi-auto but it will be a Glock, or something similar that I’ve trained with, with one in the tube: again; draw, point, shoot.
There’s a whole lot more to it than just CC. It’s responsibility, training, practice, skill etc. But even more so, it’s situational awareness, which IMHO, is way more important. Being aware of my surroundings and whose approaching or inside my personal safe zone vs their intent/actions. Avoiding areas and situations that are conducive to an assault. Can I deescalate the situation by just walking away without confrontation? Words and spit may piss me off, but they’re not immediate life threatening. The very last thing anyone should ever have to do is shoot someone in self defense, or worse; in anger.
A life or death situation with no way out facing me or one of my loved ones? Especially inside our home? You betcha in a heartbeat (no pun intended). And, oh, BTW, IF you do use it, and even if you’re 110% in the right, be prepared for about $15K in legal fees, and you’ll most likely never see that $900 Sig ever again. Not to mention having to live with the aftermath.
Lots of cops have shot themselves, and there’s several on video (check it out)
CC is NOT the same as a service weapon.
Enjoy your choices. Cops are NOT a good example of proper firearm use.
He never said don’t have a round in the chamber. He was saying have a round in the chamber and a manual safety you have drilled into muscle memory to flip off. He is absolutely right about how muscle memory makes flipping the safety off take zero additional time in a draw. If you practice a hundred draw a day for a week, you will have trouble drawing the gun without flipping the safety off in one smooth motion. Your hand will hit the gun and the safety just goes off as part of the motion without even thinking. This was normal back when everybody carried a 1911.
IMO, I am much more comfortable holstering with a safety on, than with it off. The single most experienced shooter I knew had a nice little pair of crescent shaped scars between his toes, where a 357 went off when it was holstered fast and a leather flap hit the trigger and touched it off double action. Once you are ready to holster, you have the time, and it is muscle memory anyway, to flip the safety on and the gun has one more level of protection between you and an AD.
I think two is one and one is none holds with safety on a gun. The whole, I don’t want one when SHTF is probably statistically foolish, given you will holster thousands of times in your life, and maybe one in every thousand or ten thousand people will ever have to unholster and shoot. If trained it is zero time-delay, and IMO it is a big safety buffer when holstering in training.