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Murdered SUNY student Elizabeth Howell in ‘wrong place, wrong time’: parents
NY Post ^ | February 20, 2022 | Reuven Fenton and David Meyer

Posted on 02/20/2022 5:21:34 PM PST by BenLurkin

The heartbroken parents of murdered SUNY Potsdam student Elizabeth Howell said their daughter was likely a random victim in the “wrong place, wrong time” when she was gunned down just off campus.

“She was the type of person that didn’t have enemies, and certainly no one that would want to kill her. As soon as they told us, we figured wrong place, wrong time,” her father Joe Howell told The Post in an emotional interview at the family’s Patterson, New York home.

Elizabeth, 21, was found lying on the side of College Park Road with gunshot wounds, according to state police. She was a senior studying music education who played in the school’s Crane Symphony Orchestra.

Howell and his wife Ann said their daughter was a highly active member of her community, teaching swimming, lifeguarding and cello while dancing ballet and playing in orchestras on her own.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


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To: fidelis; MinuteGal; M Kehoe

“But will it prevent you or anyone else here on FR from jumping to stereotypical assumptions in the future? People here have created this type off knee-jerk culture here and it makes us look like knuckle-dragging bigots.”

What you are ignoring here is that often the stereotypical assumptions are correct. Statistically there are way more killing of whites by blacks than vice versa. Statistically there are more murders committed by Blacks than any other racial group of people in the U.S. So an assumption that a murder of a white girl by a black perp is not in many cases a wrong one.

It was wrong in this instance, but in many other instances it is a correct one. And this includes murders and instances of battery on Asians of late too. So many, in fact the vast majority of the crimes have been Blacks attacking Asians, in particular Asian women.

So take the blinders off as to what has been going on for a long time now in this country. An over abundance of batteries and murders being perpetrated by Blacks, predominantly Black males, against one another, and often against Whites. Look at who populates our prisons. The highest percentage of inmates are Blacks.

If an assumption, like in this case, doesn’t pan out, then you apologize for this specific case. It doesn’t negate that the same assumption will more than likely be proven correct a multitude of other times. Don’t poo poo stereotypes as they are often correct. How do you think the word stereotypes came into being?


41 posted on 02/20/2022 9:24:46 PM PST by flaglady47 (Donald J.Trump, President in 2024 - DeSantis for VP (or Senior Advisor))
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To: Flavious_Maximus

“Why don’t they just say the daughter was born in the wrong century or wrong planet or wrong dimension?”
Good question. Probably because the parents lack an education in Biblical studies and are clueless about bad stuff such as death. The key word here is “tragedy.”


42 posted on 02/20/2022 9:27:39 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: flaglady47

Well said. And he deserves to be execute for such a heinous crime. This POS will be tried, and there will be no plea bargain , to flush down the memory hole.

Nor will he will be considered “Incompetent to stand trial”, like the POC that killed Cash Gernon or the young, woman, who was murdered in my neighborhood who was a 21 year old Cane’s manager.

No murderer should get special license, because of their race.


43 posted on 02/20/2022 10:56:01 PM PST by sumuam
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To: Falconspeed

Good question. Probably because the parents lack an education in Biblical studies and are clueless about bad stuff such as death. The key word here is “tragedy.”


People in the West have been taught to be so complacent and beaten down, even when their own child is murdered. Because the culture here is that a murderer is “mentally ill”, or a victim of circumstance, because of shyster lawyers and academia.

In some cases, but a very small amount, it may be true, but for the most part, most murderers should be put down like the mad dogs they are. Even mad dogs have an excuse. Rabies. Most animals infected with the virus are sickly and can barely move from a spot.


44 posted on 02/20/2022 11:44:52 PM PST by sumuam
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To: Flavious_Maximus
Parents don’t seem too heartbroken to me. Not from that “wrong place, wrong time” statement.

Agree!

"It is what it is!"

"Things happen!"

"Some people did something."

"What Difference At This Point Does It Make?!"

"If my aunt had testicles, she's be my uncle!"

"Your brother, Billy, whatever happened there..."

Statements made by people attempting to avoid facing the truth!

Regards,

45 posted on 02/21/2022 1:01:11 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: af_vet_1981; Jonty30
the black thug's romantic overtures

Romantic ? Whose fooling whom ?

Cut the guy some slack, willya?

"Romantic overtures" is obviously a "polite way" of saying, "hormone-driven primal urges fueled by Black rage" - though the racial component might be mistaken here.

Regards,

46 posted on 02/21/2022 1:05:35 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: flaglady47
Excellent analysis and rebuttal! Kudos to you!

Regards,

47 posted on 02/21/2022 1:11:20 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: af_vet_1981; Jonty30
Also:

Romantic ? Whose Who's fooling whom ?

Regards,

48 posted on 02/21/2022 1:14:08 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

That’s a good catch.


49 posted on 02/21/2022 1:17:58 AM PST by Jonty30 (How can you claim to help me with my healthcare costs when you can't pay for your own?)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
I hate this type of talk like its all just a game and their dtr got tagged, oh well.....

one has to fight like a grizzly bear when it comes to your children....

and here's a clue too....GET ANGRY....GET MAD...stop hiding behind little phrases....

50 posted on 02/21/2022 1:26:06 AM PST by cherry (;)
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To: fidelis

I totally despise both white trash and black trash....I’m all for equality....


51 posted on 02/21/2022 1:29:03 AM PST by cherry (;)
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To: sumuam

Execution is too quick. Clap them into stocks on the village green and let them rot there for months as they meditate. Let family and people feed them and throw cruddy old blankets over him. This is what this perp needs. He is white bearded hippy looking, not black, photo at the source.

This killer will fit in great with CSNY and Neil Young, them dumbass hippies of old.


52 posted on 02/21/2022 1:45:30 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Well, I don’t know if you’re trolling me or what, but you know darn well, that’s never going to happen with the “no cruel and unusual punishment”, clause, and it’s not going to happen to the “white bearded hippy’ or any black murderer.

If you have read and know how cowardly killers are like Perry Smith, Richard Hickock, and Gordon Northcott, once they have to walk those 13 steps and face hanging and eternity they’re not so tough after all, and whine and cry like the wusses they are.


53 posted on 02/21/2022 3:47:46 AM PST by sumuam
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To: BenLurkin

She wasn’t in the wrong place at the wrong time. The thug who killed her was wrong wrong wrong! And evil.

If we want to walk with freedom again we are going to have to rapidly execute these thugs publicly and painfully.


54 posted on 02/21/2022 4:03:12 AM PST by Chickensoup ( Leftists totalitarian fascists are eradicating conservatives)
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To: Jonty30
It might have been what you say or a gang initiation.
55 posted on 02/21/2022 6:40:41 AM PST by jmacusa (America.Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: MtnClimber

People in power reject your rational observation out of hand.


56 posted on 02/21/2022 11:05:36 AM PST by GingisK
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To: alexander_busek

Nobody’s foolin’ nobody as to where it goes


57 posted on 02/21/2022 5:50:37 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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