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1 posted on 02/16/2022 9:36:04 AM PST by norsky
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The greenest way to charge cars is with solar power.

The sun shines during the daytime.

Each car will hopefully be parked where its owner has a job and works.

Each workplace will typically already have parking space associated with it. Commercial building operators will arrange for charging facilities, often as contracted with employers.


2 posted on 02/16/2022 9:43:15 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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“In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can service”

Nonsense. How many people have their own filling station at home?

99% of the time EVs will be charged at home or at work. Vastly less demand for filling stations.


3 posted on 02/16/2022 9:43:36 AM PST by Renfrew
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A 300-mile range battery system may cost $10,000.

A 30-mile range single battery pack may cost $1,000.


4 posted on 02/16/2022 9:45:04 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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From the 4,800 SHP T-55 gas turbine in a Chinook to my 5.3L GMC V-8 in my truck - gotta’ love petroleum!


5 posted on 02/16/2022 9:45:27 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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Big Power & Light is pleased to be in the battery leasing business.

A $1,000 battery pack will cost you about $16/month on your electric bill and get you about 30 miles in range.

Need more range? Get another battery pack! Each additional one is only $14/month.


7 posted on 02/16/2022 9:50:53 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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...an EV charging station would require 600, 50-watt chargers ...


A 50-watt charger will barely charge a dozen cell phones; must be 50-amp.

Technically-illiterate editors.


8 posted on 02/16/2022 9:52:32 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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that, and the taxpayers would foot the bill...


9 posted on 02/16/2022 9:54:06 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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People are thinking that there will be IC Engine cars for sale alongside the EVs. There won’t be any. All the manufacturers are going full hog into EV only production. No IC Engines will be produced. None. You will eventually have no choice, even used IC cars will be gone. Gasoline stations will begin to convert to EV charging stations and gasoline will become hard to find if at all...............................


11 posted on 02/16/2022 9:55:59 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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From the article:


New Zealand’s 230-volt electricity system means every home has the potential to charge an electric vehicle.

A standard 10 amp socket will give an 80% recharge to a 90 kWh Tesla Model S in 10 hours.


10 amps, 230 volts gives 2.3 kilowatts.

2.3 kilowatts for 10 hours is 23 kWh, leading to a 25% recharge, not 80% recharge.


12 posted on 02/16/2022 9:56:27 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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The article you linked is from 2016.


15 posted on 02/16/2022 9:57:55 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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16 posted on 02/16/2022 9:58:27 AM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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> What are the drivers doing during that time? <

Instead of just standing around, I hope they’ll be returning power to the grid.


22 posted on 02/16/2022 10:06:24 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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“The average age of an American car on the road is 12 years. A 12-year-old EV will be on its third battery.”

Battery life is 300,000 to 500,000 miles.

That is over 20 years with normal driving


25 posted on 02/16/2022 10:10:11 AM PST by TexasGator (UF)
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I am by no means an EV advocate. Buy ‘em if you want, or stick with ICE if you choose.

But the fallacy in this article’s logic is that it doesn’t take into account that most EV charging will occur overnight at home, not at roadside charging stations.

ALL ICE cars must visit a gas station. Not all EV cars MUST visit a charging station.


31 posted on 02/16/2022 10:19:52 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Anybody with an understanding of the Law of Conservation/1st Law of Thermodynamics is LTFAO at these fools.
I know not everybody has a mechanical engineering background, so let me say this: the basic laws are like gravity...they don’t just dramatically change because some idiots say so. Hint: The chimneys at the power stations are the EVs’ “exhaust pipes”. They’re morons.
But hey, IF that’s what society wants, give it to em, collect the money and put it in the bank....LMAO.


35 posted on 02/16/2022 10:24:46 AM PST by lgjhn23 (Pray for America....)
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A hybrid fuel electric power train avoids this infrastructure nightmare.

Right now, the fuel power train component is usually a small (@25 hp) gasoline engine. It powers an electric generator that supplies electricity to charge the car’s battery or directly power the electric motors inside each wheel hub. The power management system turns the engine on and off as needed, routes power flow, etc.

It avoids the infrastructure impacts by allowing gas stations to remain gas stations. Demand for fuel decreases because many low speed, short duration trips are being performed using only battery power.

This is actually a transference because the slow nighttime home recharging envisioned to keep EV batteries topped off still requires electricity to be generated somewhere and transferred to the home charging portal. However, efficiency of scale does apply as the power plant/electrical grid system can generate electricity at lower unit cost and lesser environmental impact when properly engineered/re-engineered to do so.

Our current approach, however…

I’m reminded of a saying attributed to British diplomats when discussing America’s approach to foreign policy. It seems weirdly appropriate to the “woke” US government approach to this problem as well:

“In the end, the Americans will do the right thing. But only after trying every other solution first!”

God help us. And God bless America.


44 posted on 02/16/2022 10:40:05 AM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow. )
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My 1999 F150 SuperCab has a 5.4L V8 and 64,000 miles on the odometer. Not planning replacement anytime soon. The motorcycles will absorb most of my local travel miles when the weather is nice. I probably need to put a charger on the battery as I haven't fired it up since before Thanksgiving.
47 posted on 02/16/2022 10:43:45 AM PST by Myrddin
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“an EV charging station would require 600, 50-watt chargers”.

50 watt charger???

Stopped reading right there.

Prolly meant 50 amp but still....


53 posted on 02/16/2022 11:06:45 AM PST by 1FreeAmerican
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The oversized electric golf kart fanbois will not be pleased at the mockery of their fetish.


54 posted on 02/16/2022 11:07:36 AM PST by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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75 posted on 02/16/2022 4:27:14 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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