Has the virus been isolated? Yes.So why aren't we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines? Answer: Because nobody wants to know the answer.

substack.com ^ | 1/9/2022 | 1/10/2022

[ransomnote]

I rely on expert opinions of people who I trust for certain issues like whether or not the virus has been “isolated.” It’s a reasonable approach if you are careful about which experts you trust.

All of the expert friends I’ve asked (including Robert Malone and Li-Meng Yan) tell me that “the virus has been isolated.” So it has been “isolated” according to their belief in what the term means.

Others interpret the term differently and would claim the virus hasn’t been isolated. In fact, according to their definition, no virus in history has ever been isolated.

Both sides are right because they define the term differently. It’s all semantics.

You can physically buy the virus in various forms (at ATCC and EVAg). If you have a BSL3 lab and a live virus, you can expose it to animals and they will get sick.

Some people will disagree with what I just wrote

I knew my statement would light a fire before I wrote this. When I asked on my telegram channel “has the virus been isolated?” I received 295 comments which is around 10X more than normal.

When I posted this article on Telegram, it again lit up with 284 comments as of Jan 9.

Various commenters are calling each other flat earthers, etc.

The arguments go flying about double-blind studies to “prove” you got the right virus, the use (or misuse) of Koch’s postulates, whether Andrew Kaufman and Stefan Lanka are “for real” or “nut jobs,” whether the FOIA asks were contrived to elicit a null response, and what the definition of “isolation” really is (does it mean purified or not, for example).

If you watch this video at 4:00, you’ll see even virologists themselves don’t agree on the definition of “isolate.” Does it require purification or not? If we don’t agree on the terminology, there is no end to the arguments. And that’s exactly what we see on the chat. And it is why debating Kaufman and his collaborators is fruitless: each side will dig in on their own definitions and settle nothing.

These three articles are a good read:

1. The Psychiatrist Who Calmly Denies Reality

2. No, German ‘supreme court’ didn’t rule that ‘measles doesn’t exist’

3. Report Falsely Claims US CDC ‘Admits COVID-19 Doesn’t Exist’

DontCoitusMyCOTUS (despite the colorful language) points out:

1. Andrew Kaufman, Stefan Lanka, Tom Cowen are misleading people with their arguments. Kaufman, for example, is a psychiatrist who admits he has never done virus research.

2. “Hysterical watching a <insults redacted> demand virus isolated to their imaginary specs and dismissing ATCC which is the world’s largest oldest and most important micro organism repository in the world.”

3. The FOIA document requests are a “stunt designed to fail”

4. “Virus not isolated”: the definition Kaufman, Cowan, etc. use is different than what scientists who publish papers on virus isolation use. This is why there is such disagreement on this question because different people interpret “has been isolated” differently.

5. If you search for “Isolation of Wuhan Virus” you’ll find many papers in PubMed and NIH in many countries with details on how isolation was done (for example this one and this one). You can see a TEM picture here. Here are more references.

6. ATCC 351 variant RNA for sale is not in culture.
   
   MORE AT LINK Has the virus been isolated? Yes. (substack.com)

[Blurb2350]

Yes, the mRNA animals died, but it wasn’t from the immediate effects of the “vaccine.” The deaths — and almost all of them died — came when the animals later faced with “wild” viruses. In other words, they died when their innate immune systems failed. There’s a mountain of evidence that the current bunch of clot-shots are having the same deleterious effect on the immune system, with the damage compounding with each successive shot or booster.

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Has the virus been isolated? Yes.So why aren't we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines? Answer: Because nobody wants to know the answer., Brian Griffin wrote:

Doing experiments on animals is of very limited value.

https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/chocolate-poisoning-in-dogs

To whom? Those wishing to distribute toxic 'vaccines'?

Since 2005, all the animal trials were failures so you think there's no value in animal trials? The animals got ADE, a known, documented risk of mRNA. So you think we should just go straight to global mandatory experiments on humans?

[Brian Griffin]

It is has been known for quite a number of years that tetanus jabs wane and that booster shots are needed to restore immunity to tetanus.

Governments have to rely on what private enterprise cooks up.

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Has the virus been isolated? Yes.So why aren't we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines? Answer: Because nobody wants to know the answer., Renfrew wrote:

“why aren’t we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines?”

We did and continue to do so. Look up what a phase one trial is.

I read through the Moderna and Pfizer trial documents. Phase I trials are to test a statistically irrelevent number of individuals to see if the 'vaccine' is at all survivable before deciding whether to move to Phase II, which tests dosage efficacy/harm, and those are often 1000 to 2000 members in size, and Phase III is typically many 10's of thousands.

I recall one of the pharma's testing the Covid vax on a type of monkey that essentially doesn't become ill with Covid in the first place (hard to detect illness, at most sniffles). So a very brief trial on around 13 monkeys that don't get sick in the first place, and likely those animals became ill as a result of ADE but you know, the pharmas want 75 years to release the data, so they aren't going to tell us.

[Brian Griffin]

“Scientists first used animal studies to analyze the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine. This is because the research required intentional exposure to the virus. In these animal studies, the COVID-19 vaccine didn’t show ADE issues — such as lung inflammation — that we saw with the early measles and RSV vaccines.”

https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/covid-19/antibody-dependent-enhancement

[oil_dude]

Who cares if you have Emergency Use Authorization! Can’t be sued!

[Jan_Sobieski]

You mean this study? Where ALL of the animals died?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22536382/

[Antoninus]

It is has been known for quite a number of years that tetanus jabs wane and that booster shots are needed to restore immunity to tetanus.

Yeah, every 10 frickin' years. Not every 10 weeks.

[Brian Griffin]

“Since 2005, all the animal trials were failures so you think there’s no value in animal trials? The animals got ADE....”

Could you provide one or more links, please!

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Has the virus been isolated? Yes.So why aren't we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines? Answer: Because nobody wants to know the answer., Brian Griffin wrote:

“Scientists first used animal studies to analyze the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine. This is because the research required intentional exposure to the virus. In these animal studies, the COVID-19 vaccine didn’t show ADE issues — such as lung inflammation — that we saw with the early measles and RSV vaccines.”

https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/covid-19/antibody-dependent-enhancement

GOODRX just happens to be part of the plandemic messaging system.  They have business relationships with pharmas/pharmacies and feature outlets known to push the vax hard (e.g., Walmart, CVS etc.) Here's some press examples they list on their page:

 

Here's GOODRX's informative list of side effects for the 'vaccines'.

 

Meanwhile, ADE is acknowledged here and there and then the MSM buries the admissions and shills push the false information claiming there's no ADE risk.

This first link is kind of sad. A researcher reviewed the available information on mRNA and the COvid trials and warned that the trial participants were not given informed consent because the fact that the 'vaccines' were subject to documented risks of ADE was 'obscurred' from trial participants. The researcher said all trial members and certainly all future patients must be warned of the risks of ADE in order to provide informed consent.

​Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease - PubMed (nih.gov)

Director of CDC, Rochelle Walensky warns of ADE, Antibody Dependent Enhancement From Israel Data - Jeffrey Dach MD

https://i.imgur.com/yysg9KM.png

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Please go back through my posts wherein I provided other trolls with that information.

[Brian Griffin]

“Where ALL of the animals died?”

The “challenged mice were sacrificed” - the researchers killed them for examination purposes.

[ransomnote]

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Has the virus been isolated? Yes.So why aren't we doing experiments on animals to determine the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines? Answer: Because nobody wants to know the answer., Brian Griffin wrote:

“Since 2005, all the animal trials were failures so you think there’s no value in animal trials? The animals got ADE....”

Could you provide one or more links, please!

Here, I'll get you started.

From Christian Elliot's April 2021 article, 18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine (deconstructingconventional.com):

#3: THE UGLY HISTORY OF ATTEMPTS TO MAKE CORONAVIRUS VACCINES

There have been many attempts to make viral vaccines in the past that ended in utter failure, which is why we did not have a coronavirus vaccine in 2020.

In the 1960's, scientists attempted to make an RSV (Respiratory Syncytial Virus) vaccine for infants.

In that study, they skipped animal trials because they weren't necessary back then.

In the end, the vaccinated infants got much sicker than the unvaccinated infants when exposed to the virus in nature, with 80% of the vaccinated infants requiring hospitalization, and two of them died.

After 2000, scientists made many attempts to create coronavirus vaccines.

For the past 20 years, all ended in failure because the animals in the clinical trials got very sick and many died, just like the children in the 1960's.

You can read a summary of this history/science here.

Or if you want to read the individual studies you can check out these links:

• In 2004 attempted vaccine produced hepatitis and liver damage in ferrets

• In 2005 mice and civets became sick and more susceptible to coronaviruses after being vaccinated

• In 2012 the ferrets became sick and died. And in this study mice and ferrets developed lung disease.

• In 2016 this study also produce lung disease in mice.

The typical pattern in the studies mentioned above is that the children and the animals produced beautiful antibody responses after being vaccinated. 

The manufacturers thought they hit the jackpot.

The problem came when the children and animals were exposed to the wild version of the virus.

When that happened, an unexplained phenomenon called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) also known as Vaccine Enhanced Disease (VED) occurred where the immune system produced a "cytokine storm" (i.e. overwhelmingly attacked the body), and the children/animals died.  

Here's the lingering issue... 

The vaccine makers have no data to suggest their rushed vaccines have overcome that problem.

In other words, never before has any attempt to make a coronavirus vaccine been successful, nor has the gene-therapy technology that is mRNA "vaccines" been safely brought to market, but hey, since they had billions of dollars in government funding, I'm sure they figured that out.

Except they don't know if they have...

 

 

[Brian Griffin]

“31) Vennema, H., et al. ‘Early death after feline infectious peritonitis virus challenge due to recombinant vaccinia virus immunization.’ Journal of virology 64.3 (1990): 1407-1409.”

That experiment didn’t involve an mRNA vaccine. I didn’t see a mention of ADE.

The experiment basically said natural immunity was better than the artificial immunity, for the cats experimented upon.

Unfortunately, for about 900,000 Americans, the coronavirus beat out their ability to develop natural immunity.

[ransomnote]

Brian Griffin: “Unfortunately, for about 900,000 Americans, the coronavirus beat out their ability to develop natural immunity.”

ransomnote: You’re still spreading fake news harmful to freepers. Even the CDC admits 94% of that number had an average of 4 co-morbidities.

Then the CDC intentionally deployed it’s toxic Covid protocol (Remdesivir - the organ killer, Midazolam - literally used elsewhere for executions), and people injured or dying as result of ‘vaccination’ are deemed Covid deaths.

[Jan_Sobieski]

I guess death by Vaccine Induced Immunopathology is a bad way to go…

[Brian Griffin]

“I guess death by Vaccine Induced Immunopathology is a bad way to go…”

It is indeed.

Therefore, they run Phase I trials & Phase III trials.

[high info voter]

And why isn't the government telling people to take a little "L-Lysine" available at Walmart for $3.99 a bottle??? It kills of the Covid crap within a few days!

PROOF!

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344210822_Lysine_Therapy_for_SARS-CoV-2

https://principia-scientific.com/a-cheap-new-covid-cure-just-did-away-any-need-for-a-vaccine/?fbclid=IwAR2s2UHwQ5G3VIq1ge4SW0veeSvy9LpbQBqWHPVYi7utbEi3VlKXUDCvsbs

[Brian Griffin]

“Unexpectedly, Abs that neutralized most human S glycoproteins enhanced entry mediated by the civet virus S glycoproteins. The mechanism of enhancement involved the interaction of Abs with conformational epitopes in the hACE-2-binding domain. Finally, improved immunogens and mAbs that minimize this complication have been defined. These data show that the entry of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronaviruses can be enhanced by Abs, and they underscore the need to address the evolving diversity of this newly emerged virus for vaccines and immune therapies.”

https://www.pnas.org/content/102/3/797

Hopefully, the scientists at Pfizer and Moderna are at least as well informed as freerepublic blogger ransomnote.