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Why ‘Hot Mess’ women of the world – think Bridget Jones and Fleabag – are doomed to be screwed over by patronising men
Mail Plus ^ | January 3, 2021 | Julie Burchill

Posted on 01/05/2022 8:09:20 AM PST by C19fan

Once it was easy to define what a dream girl was – created in Hollywood, she was a Marilyn, a Rita, a Betty Grable smiling artlessly over her shoulder.

With the Sixties and the ‘youth-quake’, a more bohemian style was favoured – Julie Christie and Brigitte Bardot, less inclined to pander to men’s fantasies while still inspiring them.

Then came the Seventies and it occurred to women that every other oppressed group seemed to be having their own rebellion. At the 1970 Miss World pageant, ‘Women’s Lib’ (what a great phrase – much better than poncy old ‘feminism’) protesters chucked flour bombs about, alarming the host Bob Hope. But regrettably for our side, a side-effect of burning one’s bra was that it gave men an even better look at our breasts – witness famous nipple-featuring photographs from that on Carly Simon’s first album in 1971 to Gered Mankowitz photographs of a young Kate Bush in a leotard in 1978.

Feminism didn’t do anything to stop men objectifying women – it just gave them a wider range to perve over: The *Real* Woman (overweight); the Lady Boss (wearing vertiginous stilettos, and whose true ambition was having it off on the boardroom table after hours); the Manic Pixie Dream Girl – and the Hot Mess, from Bridget Jones to Fleabag.

(Excerpt) Read more at mailplus.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: dating; feminism; mgtow; pua; redpill; women
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One of those older women giving younger woman advice. Younger women can get away with all sorts of shenanigans but once their beauty fades it is over. I never heard the term "Hot Mess Woman" before.
1 posted on 01/05/2022 8:09:20 AM PST by C19fan
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The author will definitely receive a lot of hate mail and online abuse for this one.


2 posted on 01/05/2022 8:15:56 AM PST by PGR88
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To: C19fan

Revelation 17:16.

3 posted on 01/05/2022 8:16:03 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of<p Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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Woman want to pretend they are independent, but many want a man to bail them out, and take care of their every need. When that doesn’t happen (real world, kiddo,) they get bitter.


4 posted on 01/05/2022 8:17:07 AM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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“Woman want to pretend they are independent, but many want a man to bail them out, and take care of their every need”

There was a survey/poll several weeks back among women that if a man only offered to pay his own dinner on a first date something like 97%+ of the women would never go out with him again. I cannot remember the exact # but it was in the high 90%.

So much for being independent and paying their own way.


5 posted on 01/05/2022 8:23:46 AM PST by setter
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To: Fido969

“Woman want to pretend they are independent, but many want a man to bail them out, and take care of their every need.”

You know my wife?


6 posted on 01/05/2022 8:24:05 AM PST by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: C19fan

It is my experience that men who do not marry can go on and develop hobbies and friends that occupy their time and can lead to a happy life. I don’t think it’s ideal because I think kids are the greatest joy. But I have known many older unmarried men who seem pretty content.

But I find that older unmarried women are always miserable. It’s not the life they wanted and, aside from numerous cats, they have nothing to show for it. Hobbies and friends are not enough to fill the void.

My conclusion is that women need men more than men need women and society is playing a terrible trick when women are brought up thinking that they are “all that” and certainly deserve to land a perfect man in the top 10% of the gene pool. They won’t settle for less and they end up with nothing but misery.

I think feminism has been a big contributor to this — “most men are scum” and “women are the greatest” just leads to women who won’t compromise or settle for anyone less than perfect. The men get on with their lives, but the women settle into misery.


7 posted on 01/05/2022 8:29:11 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The experts are liars. The conspiracy theorists are the people who have figured out the Truth.)
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Left wing woman objectify themselves and then complain about being objectified.

I.E. Miley Cyrus Wrecking Ball.

She got what she wanted. She totally wrecked her career.


8 posted on 01/05/2022 8:31:18 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus (Fauci is a murderer)
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“It’s not the life they wanted and, aside from numerous cats, they have nothing to show for it.”

This is terribly unfair stereo typing.

Some of them are dog people.


9 posted on 01/05/2022 8:33:24 AM PST by TalonDJ
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Marilyn, a Rita, a Betty Grable smiling artlessly over her shoulder

Artlessly? I don't think so. These women knew they were sex-bombs and knew how to use that to get what they thought they wanted.

And so it is, start with a false premise and go nowhere interesting.

So long has human's reproduce in a biological rather than mechanical fashion, attraction between sexual opposites will rule the planet. It's one of the few true things in biological science.

10 posted on 01/05/2022 8:34:28 AM PST by AndyJackson
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I have always believed the role of the sexes. Men are providers and protectors, women are nurturers. The insecurities and irresponsibility of the “hot messes” is on them. They can bail themselves out of their makings.


11 posted on 01/05/2022 8:35:22 AM PST by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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How do Ginger and MaryAnn fit into all this?


12 posted on 01/05/2022 8:41:19 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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Feminism didn’t do anything to stop men objectifying women ...

Straw person(?) argument, no matter how vehement Feminism is, it cannot change basic human biology! Normal males, especially those of breeding age, will ogle the female! The term 'objectifying' is an application by the LEFT against this action but this is swimming against biology!

Yes, there has been a sad history of females being mistreated and mishandled. Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton & Harvey Weinstein come immediately to mind! All three have demonstrated a past history of 'handling' BUT, for some strange reason, the Feminists, by and large, ignored their objectifications until it got beyond the blinders!

Not too surprising but Ms Burchill is giving Feminists an impossible task and she is no King Cnut!

13 posted on 01/05/2022 8:41:32 AM PST by SES1066 (Ask not what the LEFT can do for you, rather ask what the LEFT is doing to YOU!)
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I have decided for me it is no longer a case of Ginger or May Anne. It's Ginger AND Mary Anne.

14 posted on 01/05/2022 8:45:47 AM PST by eldoradude (Add water to a journalist and you get instant sh*t)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

“She got what she wanted. She totally wrecked her career.”

Did you mean her love life? i.e with Liam Helmsworth.

She is more popular than ever and all her concerts are sold out.


15 posted on 01/05/2022 8:48:01 AM PST by setter
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To: brownsfan

““Woman want to pretend they are independent, but many want a man to bail them out, and take care of their every need.””

Get in the kitchen woman and fix me a sammich.


16 posted on 01/05/2022 8:49:40 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (If you are vaccinated, you cannot get COVID from someone who is not vaccinated. Lighted up Karen!)
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“Woman want to pretend they are independent....”

Pardon me for piling on, but that has also been my experience. A Dutch friend once told me, “Dutch women like to act independant, but behind them is a man with a credit card.”


17 posted on 01/05/2022 8:53:42 AM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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Younger women can get away with all sorts of shenanigans but once their beauty fades it is over. “””

In other words nothing at all has changed except that now it’s even easier for guys to be aimless whoremasters if they so desire.


18 posted on 01/05/2022 8:56:00 AM PST by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: PGR88

Julie Burchill is immune at this point.


19 posted on 01/05/2022 8:58:16 AM PST by avenir
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I’ve read more than one ‘fun, human interest/relationship story’ from New York City where there are a LOT of women who set up dates for nearly every night of the week. The reason? A free meal only for the price of tolerating some guy so they can stretch their waitress dollars and live in that ‘vibrant and wonderful’ city.... food whores..


20 posted on 01/05/2022 8:58:28 AM PST by Gaffer
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