Posted on 12/28/2021 4:15:46 PM PST by texas booster
The tried-and-true gasoline engine has been around for a long time, and it likely will hang around for a long time. In the past half-century alone, automakers have seemingly turned reliability into a science, building million-mile cars with relative ease. With the popularization of electric cars on the rise, however, a new dawn of mileage records and durability might soon be on the horizon.
With Tesla being the most popular EV-only brand in the world right now, it's only natural to hear about some high-mileage Teslas popping up out there. But what does one actually look like up close and personal? One YouTuber's got answers for us: Braden Carlson.
Carlson recently got his hands on a friend's 2015 Tesla Model S 70D. The black-on-black electric sedan was recently purchased from its original owner who used the car for Uber service since it was brand new. During the past six years, the Tesla racked up a rather astonishing 424,302 miles—that's around 71,000 miles per year—and it's still going strong.
The only major piece of service that the Model S has undergone, according to Carlson, was a battery replacement. The Tesla previously received a new battery under warranty at around 250,000 miles, meaning that the car now has 180,000 on its current battery pack. Since its pack replacement, the car's original range of 240 miles has dropped to between 180 and 200 miles on a full charge, meaning a loss of as much as 25 percent.
All of the car's other major components seem to be in good shape, which is fairly impressive for a car with its odometer reading. Carlson says that all of the car's electronics still work too, except for the driver's side rear window actuator.
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Until recently, we always had a car that made it to 350,000 miles before we sold it off.
Back then we would sell them for $500, and they mostly made it over the border for a major overhaul.
Now I would trade it in for, maybe $2500?
Greenies want to stop all individual transportation, EVs are just a means to an end for them. They know it will be such a clusterduck, that people will just say screw it, and opt for mass transportation.
I agree - one in the dead of winter and one in July or August.
Now that would be a way to prove their utility.
I hadn't seen this before but it makes sense.
This (stunt) driver drove from NYC to LA in a gas power vehicle in 31 hours. In the Tesla Model 3, he made it in 50 hours.
The fact that he made it at all is a testament to the Tesla supercharging network.
And it was done in the dead of winter, and they did not run the heater. But still ... pretty neat.
Much better choice. Super low miles.
Put a bunch of jdm engines in cars for our car lot. Much cheaper option.
“That said, if they can come up with one that gets over 500 miles per full charge (give it 2 or 3 years) it’ll be worth it.”
Lucid Air claims 520
https://www.carscoops.com/2021/09/2022-lucid-air-driven-520-mile-range-tested-by-motor-trend/
Tesla have dynamic braking. The electric motor reverses acting as a generator. Brake pads last a very long time.
but you'll still pay for replacement of electric motors, electronic power control units, HIV inverters, HIV chargers, a thousand electronic sensors likely not easily accessible, brakes, steering, wheels and suspension, interior, heater/a-c, (and some filters there I'd imagine) etc. Tesla's wall of power for the home runs somewhere upwards of $8K and that's before you call the electrician to install a dedicated high voltage line to your home if you want more than trickle charging. And those heavily-subsidized 'free' charging stations won't be free for much longer. The $20K theoretical ‘saved’ in gas purchases over 10 years will likely morph into $45K of post-purchase expenses over 10 years. If a person wants to dedicate that much of their earnings to a vehicle, that's their choice, tho.
OTOH, A gas powered vehicle is capable of producing its own electricity, and, at the end of the chassis life, that engine can be used out-of-vehicle for a hundred purposes. (3-d printing and wide-spread use of gas vehicles elsewhere in the world ensures continuity of parts). Gas vehicles can be adapted to run on biofuels, and can run continuously, allowing for refueling, for days or months without heat buildup issues.
Maybe I'm blind, but I can't see a future for EVs in much of the world - China prefers mass transit as a means of personalized control of nonparty members, and will sell their own brand of EVs to their party citizens expected to buy them, and socialist urban infrastructure in first-world nations is already being built to support mass transit and high density housing in 'walking neighborhoods' that block vehicle access. With that basic infrastructure conflict, cost aside, EV sales seems limited to an urban audience that can call one as an Uber or that can afford $400/mo parking space rent for their EV they can't drive in the city. :)
“Tesla tried to charge $22,500 for new battery pack when a $5,000 repair did the trick”
https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
“Tesla tried to charge $22,500 for new battery pack when a $5,000 repair did the trick”
https://electrek.co/2021/09/13/tesla-battery-pack-replacement-repair/
No doubt. I just threw the other one up there as a quick example of how reasonable it is to replace an engine, compared to a battery pack costing tens of thousands.
Exactly.
Or do what I do. Drive sub 1k cars till something major breaks and buy another.
And I am a used car dealer.
That’s typical for any of these companies peddling parts. It appears true, if you have to replace these EV batteries, it’s going to cost you biggy money.
I haven’t heard of anyone who has replaced one yet. In my part of OC Teslas have taken over the old Mercedes niche. They are commonplace.
The 2021 Tesla owner in the video said his battery is only covered for 120,000 miles. I checked: It’s true. Let’s just say for the sake of argument that a Tesla Model 3 owner WILL be buying at least one battery for 250k miles and ignore the warranty (realism, not advertising; Tesla would NEVER have reduced its battery warranty if the facts supported their fanciful claims).
At $22k per 250k miles, that’s 0.088/mile in “major maintenance,” disregarding all other maintenance & repairs.
My 2014 Honda Civic is due for a timing belt. After that, it’s good through 250k, having cost me 0.018/mile, including tires & oil changes.
Yeah. Tell me about all the benefits of EV.
Oh, “no gas costs”.
I see.
My Civic will have burned 8333 gallons of gas, or 0.083/mile by the time it hits 250k.
At 2-2.5x the cost/mile of EV charging costs, I didn’t have to “route plan”, stress about miles/day traveled (”range anxiety”) or, for that matter, wait HOURS for a charge in between. Tesla is literally planning on building ‘travel centers’ around their remote charging stations; clever way to capitalize on a captive audience.
And it only cost me an extra $11/week over those 5 years vs. EV.
MY CHOICE. MY MONEY (not anyone else’s, i.e., ‘EV rebates’ etc.).
Bonus: My car’s range didn’t degrade over time. /s
Every time I read a thread on EVs, 2 things are evident:
1. EVCB (electric vehicle confirmation bias),
2. Hypocrisy (I’ve never found a SINGLE person who has EVER refused an EV rebate on principle).
Everyone thinking about EVs should research carefully, and read stories such as this one before making major purchases they cannot justify as easily as someone making 6 figures.
If EV cultists wanted to be scientific vs. emotional, they’d support hydrogen, not this EV garbage/fraud.
Toyota and Chevrolet are our favorite brands for new vehicles.
We purchased a used Honda for my oldest son three years ago. For my middle child, we got a used Nissan Accura. Both were high school graduation gifts, both run well. Was not dropping 25 to 30K on a new car for a first-time driver, so we took the best on the lot that we could afford.
Sorry that your Honda was a money pit.
I think I paid $250 for my first car in NY. Over 30 years later, a used vehicle set us back 8K. Man, times have changed!
Is this really that impressive? Take any gas/diesel vehicle, and it’d probably look the same after only five years, even with 400M miles. (Maybe not union-built crap, but that’s a whole different experiment.)
High mileage isn’t the only thing that wears vehicles down; lots of time does more damage to many pieces of ‘em.
The problem isn’t the reliability, the problem is the inherent inefficiency of having to convert the energy source into a different form, not once but twice — before it goes in the Tusla’s tank.
With fossil fuels, Mother Nature already did all the converting. All’s that left is refining it a but and throwing it in the tank, no conversions necessary.
“On the very best cars, you would have axle issues at that mileage.”
I ran up over 380,000 miles on a 1997 Lumina LS and NEVER ONCE needed to service any downstream drive line components other than the brakes.
Dummies at GM built an iron block then put an aluminum intake manifold on it, and thought it’d stay leak free with single layer gaskets. So those got replaced at 180,000 with a FelPro aftermarket multi-layer design that I never had to deal with, again.
I paid $14,250 cash for the car in October of ‘97 and let it go last year for $1500. It was needing the engine rebuilt, and the interior was showing every one of those 24 years of wear. Had I the inclination, I could have spruced it up for $3000 to $5000 and kept it going for another 200,000; the condition of the interior actually became the deciding factor, as those are the parts that are hardest to get and/or the most ridiculously expensive. Like — hello — a slide out, in dash cup holder for $300? It’s less expensive to get OERepro parts for my classic Chevy, for cryin’ out loud!
Thanks for the link!
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