Posted on 12/28/2021 8:40:56 AM PST by RicocheT
Compelling new evidence reveals a disconnect between the metrics used to analyze fuel costs and the realities that EV drivers face on the ground.
The More You Consider, the Worse EVs Look Again, the new research is just the first installment in a larger series, but its results are undeniably head-turning. The study found that:
Commercial charging rates are two to four times higher than residential rates.
Level 1 chargers cost an average of $600 to install and can take 20 hours to fully charge an EV.
Level 2 chargers are much faster but cost $1,600.
“Full charge” is a misleading term because charging past 90% is slow, difficult and unadvised, which means you get far fewer miles than the advertised ranges would have you believe. Gas vehicles, on the other hand, are good for 300-400 miles per tank.
Considering all of those factors, and presuming a greater reliance on commercial charging, it would cost $8.58 to fuel a mid-priced gas car that gets 33 mpg for 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon. Comparatively, a mid-priced EV — Tesla Model 3, Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt — would cost $12.95 per 100 miles.
Annually, presuming 12,000 miles driven, it would cost $1,030 to drive a gas car versus $1,554 for an EV.
This article originally appeared on GOBankingRates.com: Which Really Costs More: Charging an EV or Filling Up Your Tank With Gas?
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dude, i hope you have good luck wi yer tesla, but i don’t know what point you’re trying to make?
“dude, i hope you have good luck wi yer tesla, but i don’t know what point you’re trying to make?”
I don’t have a Tesla. I have a 750 horse fire-breathing 200 mph V-8.
My point was to add in pertinent information which you chose to ignore since it was prejudiced to your case.
EVs are vanity purchases for the well-off subsidized by working men and women driving conventional autos.
‘Eff EVs.
Without anyone please getting angry (i.e. using all caps)...
When I was developing software for an energy management firm back in the late 70’s, for our calculations we had electricity as only yielding 33% of the energy (BTU’s) in the original fossil-fuel source. This was due primarily to losses in boiler efficiency at the generator, and in transmission (of which there was some, but I don’t remember the exact value).
Granted that was over 40 years ago and I’m sure improvements have been made. I’d be interested to see some accurate estimates for today.
EVs wouldn’t exist without government subsidies and corruption of the major auto manufacturers.
Kinda’ like government subsidized housing.
a miner matter....
Toyota has had its Prius car on the road in the U.S. for 24 years. If EVs were really there in terms of value, they’ve have a lot more EV models to sell.
And when you consider their home market is Japan, that’s an even bigger incentive to produce electric cars because Japan has to import all its petroleum.
The fact that Toyota is still not a serious EV advocate tells you the value isn’t really there for a totally EV vehicle for folks who care about their auto expenses and convenience.
i have no case, i simply posted #110 to which you replied the following and it was off to the races... let’s just call it a night
” Model 3 with a years-old battery, one which Tesla acknowledges may have already lost almost an eighth of its total capacity.”
Did you make that garbage up?
“When I was developing software for an energy management firm back in the late 70’s, for our calculations we had electricity as only yielding 33% of the energy (BTU’s) in the original fossil-fuel source.”
Modern CCGT’s are reaching greater than 60%, much grater than internal combustion engines.
“And yes I know COSTCO is not approved by FR.”
Costco’s ok, it’s the IDIOTS that go to Walmart and McDonald’s that we attack here.
My joke is that if you avoid everything called off limits by posters on FR, your only choice is to become Amish.
Not sure about EV batteries
But batteries in a Hybrid Prius can be tested and bad cell modules replaced.
Spoke with a hybrid mechanic...he said the Prius used every day has a very long battery life,,,....but with short trips and low mileage the battery doesn’t last as long.
“Spoke with a hybrid mechanic...he said the Prius used every day has a very long battery life,,,....but with short trips and low mileage the battery doesn’t last as long.”
With a hybrid, short trips with low mileage could lead to insufficient charging, greater drawdown and higher charging rates.
I have no Prius expertise, but the battery is much smaller than that in an EV and would work harder under that scenario.
On the other hand, the battery is also much cheaper.
They do keep the ‘recycling’ programs going, though, as it does make people feel good.
Another government “feel good” measure at increased expense. Special containers, extra personnel, different trucks, increased fuel costs for the additional pickups. Reagan was correct about the closest thing to immortality is a government program.
The Rav4 plug in hybrid runs on battery as long as possible, then switches to gas. We have not taken a long trip since we got it, and as far as I know, it has never burned any gas. We bought it in August, and wanted to go to Maine, but between work and foul weather, we have not had an opportunity. The claimed mileage on gas is 40. A full charge is rated at 38 miles. My wife has taken it on 30 mile trips and come home with the tailpipes cold.
It crapped out around 2016. The owner had an 85 mile round trip commute. I recall him something at the time it crapped out, that if the dealer had offered him [something like] 20 years and 250,000 trouble free miles, he would have taken that deal. (85 miles/day x 200 days/year x 15 year = 255,000 miles. Seems legit.)
After 250,000 miles (and a forty years working) he could afford a new car. He was through with it. He wasn’t interested in repairing it. His old car was a red Prius. His new one was a red Prius. Better radio and blue tooth phone.
EVs cost more just to buy, so start the calculations right there at the point of purchase. You start in debt when buying an EV.
Two of our best friends have leased several Prius automobiles. They lease them because they like to have new cars. They were visiting and I asked them how their current Prius was working out. He responded that it was the best “investment” that he had ever made... that it saved them so much money at the gas pump that it was “unbelievable”. He said that he had just taken the car in for its 5,000-mile servicing, and it passed with no issues. He said that it was amazing that after two years that the car had no problems at all.
This was in approximately 2010, The car never made it to its 10,000-mile servicing while they owned it because they traded it in for another new leased Prius. For someone who commutes 85 miles a day I am certain that a Prius is a good choice. For our retired friends who live half a mile from a mall and grocery store and travel further only sporadically it probably makes less sense, but they love them anyway. And it is like that with many people who own electric vehicles as well. Neither would work well for my situation because I have been renovating a 120-year-old house which is over 30 miles away for the last several years. I need something that can pull a trailer and carry building materials and tools. Our 2001 Astro Van has served us well. We bought it used for much less than the price of a Prius.
HEY..!! Watch your pronouns.... /s
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