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THE GREAT REBELLION: What is Thought of Jeff. Davis’ Message in Washington; THE DESPERATION OF THE REBEL CAUSE (11/25/1861)
New York Times archives – Times Machine ^ | 11/25/1861

Posted on 11/25/2021 7:06:33 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

WASHINGTON, Sunday, Nov. 24.

The Message of JEFF. DAVIS meets with universal execration among members of the Administration, for its audacious falsehoods. It is regarded as a weak and hopeless effort to face down the indispensable doom of this rebellion. The total silence as to the Union demonstrations in East Tennessee is ominous. The comments of DAVIS upon the invasion of Beaufort are understood by the Administration to signify the adoption by the Confederate government of the black flag proposition of South Carolina. The war will, upon that instant, become a war of extermination; and upon the first act of outrage upon prisoners under the black flag, a million men of the North will be put in the field to carry fire and sword to the Gulf. DAVIS knows this, and it is thought that being desperate, he wishes to plunge his whole people in rain rather than have them survive the failure of his madness, to execrate his memory. The promulgation of DAVIS' sinister threats will lead to some modification of the President's Message, providing for the contingency contemplated in the rebel President's "brutal and bloody manifesto."

The statistics of the Post-office Department show that there is same gain to the Federal Treasury, as well as loss, from secession. The returns indicate that for the year, ending June 31, 1861, the income of the Post-office Department will come nearer by two and a half millions of dollars to paying its expenses than for a number of years past. The reason is the abolishment of the extended and profitless mail routes in the Southern States.

Gen. MITCHELL and JOHN HAMILTON, two prominent Maryland Secessionists, residing near Port Tobacco, were arrested recently, on their return from Virginia. On their persons were found Virginia bank notes,

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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1 posted on 11/25/2021 7:06:33 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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2 posted on 11/25/2021 7:07:31 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...

The Great Rebellion: What is Thought of Jeff. Davis’ Message in Washington – 2-3
The Rebel Commissioners: Arrival of the San Jacinto at Boston – 3
News from the Rebel States: Threatened Counter-Revolution in East Tennessee – 3
The Rebel States: The Message of Jeff. Davis to the Rebel Congress – 3-5
Editorial: The Medical Bureau of the Army – 5
Editorial: The Incendiary Press-Aid and Comfort to the Rebels – 5-6
Editorial: Confederate Bickerings – 6
Editorial: Register Your Votes – 6
Editorial: Movements at Hand – 7


3 posted on 11/25/2021 7:08:37 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

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4 posted on 11/25/2021 7:09:17 AM PST by sauropod (Meanie Butt Daddy - No you can't)
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To: sauropod

Hi Pod.

I hope you are doing well.

You come here to see the arguments, don’t you?

5.56mm


5 posted on 11/25/2021 7:17:46 AM PST by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting to read that some postmasters were complicit with treasonous acts...the deep state was present even then.

And how appropriate that blankets for prisoners were to be coordinated through Gen. Wool!


6 posted on 11/25/2021 7:27:59 AM PST by bigbob (i)
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To: bigbob

That may be Gen. Wool’s chief accomplishment during the war. I don’t see him mentioned much in my reading.


7 posted on 11/25/2021 7:43:53 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

“All gave some” right?

By the way, thanks for posting these historical newspapers. They don’t get nearly the number of comments as say, a blog that gets posted three times a day, but they provide a fascinating look into our history. Which if I recall, we are doomed to repeat if we fail to learn from it...

Happy Thanksgiving!


8 posted on 11/25/2021 7:52:14 AM PST by bigbob (i)
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To: bigbob
Happy Thanksgiving!

Same to you and yours. And all who come to read about the Civil War.

9 posted on 11/25/2021 8:12:36 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation gets the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
This is the Proclamation that got the New York Times all in a tizzy

WHEREAS, it hath pleased Almighty God, the Sovereign Disposer of events, to protect and defend us hitherto in our conflicts with our enemies as to be unto them a shield.

And whereas, with grateful thanks we recognize His hand and acknowledge that not unto us, but unto Him, belongeth the victory, and in humble dependence upon His almighty strength, and trusting in the justness of our purpose, we appeal to Him that He may set at naught the efforts of our enemies, and humble them to confusion and shame.

Now therefore, I, Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States, in view of impending conflict, do hereby set apart Friday, the 15th day of November, as a day of national humiliation and prayer, and do hereby invite the reverend clergy and the people of these Confederate States to repair on that day to their homes and usual places of public worship, and to implore blessing of Almighty God upon our people, that he may give us victory over our enemies, preserve our homes and altars from pollution, and secure to us the restoration of peace and prosperity.

Given under hand and seal of the Confederate States at Richmond, this the 31st day of October, year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and sixty one.

By the President, JEFFERSON DAVIS

10 posted on 11/25/2021 9:49:24 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (The best slaves put their own chains on )
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

That’s not why they come here...lol


11 posted on 11/25/2021 9:53:15 AM PST by wardaddy (Too many uninformed ..and scolds here )
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To: MuttTheHoople; wardaddy
"This is the Proclamation that got the New York Times all in a tizzy"

Naw... that's not it.
The Times here refers to Davis' address to the Confederate Congress, published in full by the Times "yesterday".
You can find it here, beginning on page 2, right hand column.

Naturally, Davis put a positive spin on the war-so-far, and that does have the Times in a tizzy.
But... so far, as of end of November, 1861, the war has indeed gone pretty well for Confederates:

  1. Union New Mexico successfully invaded by Confederates.
    Battles (including skirmishes) in New Mexico: 5 Confederate wins, no losses.
  2. Union Oklahoma successfully allied with Confederates, Union allies defeated.
    Battles in Oklahoma to date: 1 Confederate win, no losses.
  3. Union Missouri successfully invaded by Confederates, large regions still held.
    Battles in Missouri: 9 Confederate wins, 9 losses.
  4. Union Kentucky successfully invaded by Confederates, some regions still held.
    Battles in Kentucky: 2 Confederate wins, 2 losses.
  5. Confederate Virginia successfully defended by Confederates.
    Battles in Virginia: 10 Confederate wins, 3 losses, 4 inconclusive.
Only in West Virginia have Confederates consistently come up short.
Battles in West Virginia: 2 Confederate wins, 9 losses, 1 inconclusive.
And the Union has won two small enclaves on the coasts of North & South Carolina.

So... so far, Confederates have won vastly more than they've lost.

The Times is reduced to pointing out those few Union successes and to predicting that future battles will go better for the Union -- which is likely true.

12 posted on 11/26/2021 3:05:49 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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Okay. I read it. Lots of positive-speak from Jefferson Davis.

If you were looking at the leaders at the beginning of the Civil War, Jefferson Davis had a better resume'. West Point-trained, led men in battle, was a Senator, as Secretary of War modernized the military.

All the while Abe Lincoln had only been a one-term Representative who got voted out over his opposition to the Mexican-American War. His only military experience had been as enlisting in a militia during the Blackhawk War in 1832.

Yet, in practice Lincoln clearly outclassed Davis. Jefferson Davis was fighting to create a new nation, yet got into petty battles with everyone who offended him in the least. Abe Lincoln had a coalition of cabinet members who made Donald Trump's seem loyal, but he was single-minded towards the goal of saving the Union....and that single-mindedness is what made him so great.

13 posted on 11/26/2021 7:52:07 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (The best slaves put their own chains on )
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