Posted on 10/30/2021 6:38:44 AM PDT by Libloather
On May 7, 2019, Lisa Lemble and Robert Gordon cut the ribbon on Ann Arbor, Michigan’s first curbside electric vehicle charger. It was an ordeal that required nearly a year of negotiation and permitting, and cost the couple about $15,000. “Mainly we want people to know that if they live in the city of Ann Arbor and don’t have a driveway and don’t have access to a garage, that it’s possible to put in a charging station curbside,” Lemble said at the time.
Possible, yes. Easy, no. More than two years after the Tesla-owning couple installed their dual-nozzle Level 2 charger on the curb in front of their condo, their example has not caught on. Missy Stults, the sustainability and innovations manager for Ann Arbor, said she does not know of another such project in this city of 120,000, home to the University of Michigan.
“It is so bedeviling,” Stults said. “Multifamily is a large portion of our housing stock and we start to have challenges.” The city estimates it needs as many as 10,000 electric vehicle chargers to prepare for full electric-vehicle adoption, and Stults is focused on getting them into publicly accessible parking lots - like the four “fast chargers” in the City Hall parking lot Ann Arbor put online just this Monday.
As for the streets, where residents like Lemble and Gordon park? “Trenching in the right of way gets complicated,” Stults said of the digging required for such a project. “And then what tends to happen is people park in a spot and don’t move.”
Ann Arbor is one of many cities confronting a vast challenge as Democrats pin their hopes to reduce U.S. emissions on the rapid, widespread adoption of electric vehicles: How do you get power to people who park on the street?
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That’s nice. Barely enough to replace the existing coal-fired plants scheduled for retirement. In no means enough to supply power for potentially 100M EVs.
EV manufacturers are building the wrong vehicles for all the reasons cited on this thread.
One place that EVs are efficiently used today are senior communities like The Villages. There, golf carts are used for light-duty short errands.
Tesla needs to manufacture $25,000 super E-Z Go “cars”. Don’t even bother trying to replace ICE automobiles, build something affordable and practical.
“So, let’s start with you. Exactly what problem do you think EVs solve?”
Well, I came back from the Farm and Science Review in September and John Deere, New Holland and other tractor companies are coming out with electric tractors so they must see an advantage over diesel...and those folks are smarter than me.
Oh and it’s been shown even with fossil fuel plants supplying the power, EV cars put out less pollution overall than gas powered cars because the plant emits less polution overall than gas powered cars.
Car companies say eventually prices will come down and the biggest savings are minimal parts. NO more oil changes, no complex transmission to break or wear out. People will spend more with their EV but after a period of time they will spend little on maintenance. Hertz bought 100k ev because they figured what maintenace of gas cars was costing them and it was a win win situation to go the EV
Someone above posted charging stations cost 15k.. flat out lie.
A level 1 charger can be bought for $300 and the average level 2 home chargers are $1000-1200 and that is installed price.
As I said the free market will work it out.
“Barely enough to replace the existing coal-fired plants scheduled for retirement”
Two coal powered plants on the Ohio were scheduled for shutdwon by 2015, The Mitchell and Cardinal.
Both have been renewed until 2050.
2 nuclear plants down South.. Georgia?? were scheduled to be shut down but they have been extended as well.
I’m sure the smart people runnng our power grids understand what power needs will be needed.
177 new natural gas power plants are currently being built across the US Some have already started but all the permits have been approved.
Not everyone has an office.
I know a lot of people who are stupid enough to think living in a row home is cool. Street parking, driving around for 30 minutes trying to find a parking space and finally getting one 6 blocks away.
Gee, what are the chances that space has a charger?
I think all those jab boosters will keep consumer demand down, if you know what I mean.
“Well, I came back from the Farm and Science Review in September and John Deere, New Holland and other tractor companies are coming out with electric tractors so they must see an advantage over diesel...and those folks are smarter than me.”
Must be, huh? Couldn’t possibly be federal interference or some other reason. Typical little girl, “But, daddy! Everyone’s doing it!”
I am an apartment dweller. I can't imagine insisting the owners or even the town put in a charging systems because I want cheaper charging at someone else's expense. At least the couple in the article put their money where their mouth is and paid for their own curbside charging station.
“Must be, huh? Couldn’t possibly be federal interference or some other reason. Typical little girl, “But, daddy! Everyone’s doing it!”
You really don’t think the vehicle manufacturers have lobbyist to protect their interest? Every trade publication I have seen these companies see more value and profit by going EV. They are doing it because they want to.
If that is not the case they need to hire Jewish CEO’s and lawyers like the banks and financial firms... Those folk know how to lobby
“I am an apartment dweller. I can’t imagine insisting the owners or even the town put in a charging systems because I want cheaper charging at someone else’s expense.”
Home charging stations are $300-1200 installed. $300 for level one, $1000-1200 for level 2 and the price will come down.
I am a landlord. Down the road if my tenants have EV I will put them in.
You didn’t carefully read the article. It was not a home service addition, it was in front of their condo building....new exterior service with assumed weatherproof housing, new meter, cabling etc. It ain’t legos.
;>)
The last I looked there were an estimated 35,000 commercial charging stations in the (former) Land of the Free, and roughly 25,000 incorporated cities.
You do the math.
And did you know Tesla owners can’t sue Tesla?
It’s true. The sales contract stipulates that you agree to surrender your right to litigate and agree instead to accept a third-party arbitrator (obviously one of Musk’s choosing).
That alone should warn you off buying anything he sells.
And oh by the way, ground transportation in America uses about 40% of our total energy consumption. As is, the vast majority of that energy reaches the retail distribution points in really big trucks powered by dead dinosaurs. But you can’t fill a truck with electrons and drive it around to everyone who owns a battery-only EV, so aside from the question of where do we get the electricity, where is their proposal for the major beefing up that our electric grid would require to support this lunacy?
I take it you are the owner of single homes with plenty of juice supplied to garages already. Your figures don't add up for larger rental properties.
The other question: in states like California where there is already a critical shortage of electricity, how are they going to provide additional power to charge another 20,000,000 vehicles?
There are too many people in this country who are incapable of rational thought, lack planning skills, and just plain stuck in stupid.
Wake up morons.
It's like going back to 1912 and stating that motor vehicles will never take off because there are only so many gas stations.
It’s past time for some on the right to stop fighting electric cars. Sure there are challenges to chargers and electrical generation, but at this point the range and performance and awesome features are more than enough for most use cases. We are one 50% improvement breakthrough for batteries away from killing ICE vehicles entirely. That may come in the middle of any night and when we least expect it. Besides far less maintenance, the electric car will last much longer. They are just getting started. Your next car will still probably be an ICE vehicle, but the one after that, you’ll be faced with a much harder choice.
I ain’t saying you gotta embrace the whole ball of enviro-crap the left is pushing… I hate that garbage, but electric cars ARE the next big thing. Right now Tesla is an infant, but expect it to be 10 times larger in 8 years. Other than VW and Ford, nobody else is really even trying and their market shares are going to collapse in coming years if they don’t get on board.
Serious Question. We know the “cost” of fueling up a car with gasoline (depending on where we live). Has anybody actually figured how much a “thankful” of energy costs for an electric car? (I’m not talking theoretical ... I mean does someone’s electric bill go up because they filled their electrical fuel cells). If their electric bill doesn’t go up by much, then isn’t that all the proof they need?
That must be why the POCO put a 36kva transformer in to feed my house. Or maybe my house is well above average....
I own side by side duplexes with garages.
Those prices are correct. Will cost more for outside units but the prices are going to come down.
Have you see the prices for home generators like generac?. It used to be very expensve 12-15k Now you can get them starting at around $2500
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