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To those who still pretend that the 'Covid Vaccine' is 'safe and effective', where's your evidence? Please refute Steve Kirch's report and provide 10 years of data.
10/18/2021 | vanity

Posted on 10/18/2021 5:27:19 PM PDT by ransomnote

ransomnote: Below, I posted my response to one of countless posts to me stating that I post Covid content without merit in order to push 'an agenda'. The name of the freeper this time is irrelevant because other have said the same thing. 

Freeper: This is a tour d’force of maybes, ifs and allegations that uses one theoretical allegation to build on the next.

You and others on FR working to keep the Plandemic alive rely on inuendo and allegations. To support the 'narrative', your content supports an entire fabric of lies.

* You imply 'Covid' is far more deadly than it is. Even the CDC admitted in May that 94% of "Covid" deaths are persons with an average of 4 co-morbidities (hint: they died of other things). It's not just the US that has ridiculously inflated 'Covid' death tolls.

Lisbon Court Rules Only 0.9% Of ‘Verified Cases’ Died Of COVID, Numbering 152, Not 17,000 As Claimed
greatgameindia.com ^ 

* You insist there are no treatments and so you push the vax. Ivermectin, HCQ work around the world, but you say they don't.

Dr Robert Malone @RWMaloneMD | Peru-> last half of 2020. Mortality dropped 14 fold over 3 months with Ivermectin, rose 13 fold when Ivermectin removed

C19Protocols – Reducing Risk of COVID-19 Infection and Severity

A Guide to Home-Based COVID Treatment
aapsonline.org ^ | December 11, 2020 | Jane M. Orient M.D., & Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.

* You pretend the 'Covid' tests are valid.

FDA document admits “covid” PCR test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it’s testing something else
fos-sa.org ^ | August 2, 2021 | Naomi Wolf

* You pretend the Delta variant is behind the 'surge' and is reason to get the vax.

Dnice4Jesus @DeniceMarin emailed the CDC to ask them how they are verifying what variant is dominant. This was their answer. Thoughts?
Twitter ^ | 7/29/2021 | Dnice4Jesus @DeniceMarin

* Overall, your firm support for the 'narrative' indicates your belief that Fauci/NIH/CDC are telling the truth.

"Conspiracy theorist" Robert Kennedy Jr. explains relationship between world’s most powerful doctor Bill Gates and Dr. Fauci [2 minute Video]
twitter.com ^ | April 19, 2021 | Camus @husserl80

Bill Gates, George Soros and others are driving the CDC's medical Tyranny with Private Donations to CDC Foundation. We have to reject the CDC to free ourselves.
5/3/2021 | vanity

You pretend the entire basis for China Biden's Plandemic is legit while posting as a conservative on FR. 

You are never skeptical about the 'Plandemic Narrative' no matter how many reports surface around the world contradicting it; you have no doubts or questions for the CDC. When real people come forward, put their reputations and credentials on the line, and pierce the 'Plandemic Narrative', you say they're fake and it costs you and your annonymity NOTHING.

You ridicule real doctors with impressive accomplishments who are saving lives with their safe, effective treatment protocols and education. It's war and you just happen to prefer ALL of the key talking points of those working to destroy us.

Mind you there is no meaningful data in your claim or any claim.

ANY CLAIM. Just a blanket denial. Fauci supporters always start by saying that anything people write against the Plandemic has no meaning, isn't real etc.

Plandemic Indoctrination [watch movie free, free to download] Includes notes on 7 minute sample excerpt of the movie: Clip 03 Turning CoronaVirus from a pathogen to a profit
freedomplatform.tv ^ | August 18, 2020 | Dr. David E Martin

The CDC and NIH use the same tactic. Pretend there is no evidence and then say things like, "We're not aware of any reason why pregnant women shouldn't get the 'vaccine....' That will be their excuse - they weren't aware.

As the public wakes up, the Faucists and CDC supporters are preying on a smaller and smaller number of people who haven't woken up.

Karl Denninger runs the numbers on Market-ticker.com. Please write him and explain how his statistics which show 1.2 million people of working age are missing from the job market are wrong, because he doesn't want it to be true. He keeps asking someone to explain it to him; he doesn't want to be right. But be careful; Karl knows what he's talking about, has been crunching these numbers for  years, and he's not impressed with fake and/or anonymous credentials, medical degrees etc. 

There are unsubstantiated allegations.

Americans are doing a good job of pinning our domestic enemies to the floor with facts. The CDC has simply stated over and over 'those facts don't exist', just like the corrupt traitors in Congress and the MSM keep stating there is no evidence of 2020 election theft.

The CDC, Pharma etc. don't respond to public inquiry or answer questions. They flat 'overrule' the public while behaving as if they are our overlords; they shall determine who 'gets' to claim facts, and who 'gets' to be threatened, censored silenced and smeared.

The weaponized medical establishment fell into a stunned silence and was unable to refute the information presented by Steve Kirsch, even the part where he offers 1 million dollars for NIH/CDC/FAUCI to debate him on the facts. Our enemies did what you do - they ignored him.

Comment to ACIP meeting of August 30, 2021 submitted by Steve Kirsch (with 20 experts including Dr Malone, Dr. Vanden Bossche, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Fareed
skirsch.com ^ | August 30, 2021 | Steve Kirsch

I'm amazed you and others who push (shove) the 'vaccine' are not concerned with all the CDC's 'unsubstantiated allegations'. Why aren't you skeptical of their edicts and pronouncements?

You and your buddies in the CDC are thoroughly unconcered that the Covid vaccines were tested briefly and have zero interest in long term effects. A 'normal' year might have 300 deaths post vaccination, but since Covid, were' way up in the thousands and you're yelling "SITUATION NORMAL!" You never ask the CDC or NIH or Fauci for evidence to prove anything- you just PUSH and SHOVE THE VAX.  

I am my colleagues have seen no vaccine injuries hospitalized.

You and other fake anonymous doctor 'colleagues' pretend to work in magical hospitals with patient populations which magically conform to the 'Plandemic Narrative'. The rest of America, and the rest of the world is living in reality where the vaccinated are being infected, spreading the infection, being hospitalized and dying in increasing rates. You will pretend this information does not exist.

Infection Rate in Vaccinated People in Their 40s Now More Than DOUBLE the Rate in Unvaccinated, PHE Data Shows, as Vaccine Effectiveness Hits Minus-109%
Daily Sceptic ^ | 15 October 2021

More deaths from vaccinations than from Covid-19 in Taiwan
FreeWestMedia ^ | October 17, 2021 | Staff

Latest UKHSA report shows Vaccinated accounted for 80% of Covid-19 Deaths and 60% of Hospitalisations in the last 4 weeks
theexpose.uk ^ | 10/16/2021 | The Expose

Real doctors put their profession and reputation on the line to save people, and you and other anonymous, fake doctors predictably attack him/her. You've never said anything approving of those who are taking  a beating, unduring threats and suppression, and censorship. Why not at least refute their evidence, instead of ignoring it? Because you can't.

THE VACCINE DEATH REPORT Version 1.0 [Outstanding, one-of-a-kind collection of critical medical, social and survival aspects of our enemies' tactics and goals] PDF at link
stopworldcontrol.com ^ | 9/26/2021 | John Sorenson and Dr. Vladimir Zelenko

Dr. Ryan Cole: weakening our immune system, e.g., since Jan 1, the lab has seen a 20 times increase of endometrial cancer (Transcript and link to two minute video)
Twitter ^ | Aug 25, 2021 | Dr. Ryan Cole via @ToTheLifeboats

There is no massive uptick in unexplained deaths. If the roughly 355 million doses of vaccination used were producing even a fraction of that which you claim it would be overwhelmingly evident. Where are the bodies?

There is a massive uptick in unexplained deaths. And sadly, many have injuries - they are flooding the hospitals now and they are falsely classified as 'unvaccinated'. Obitituaries now simply say "sudden illness".

Fox News Whistleblower: My Boss Told Me ‘Do Not Report Deaths After Vaccination’ [includes my notes on first 12 minutes of video]
banned.video ^ | Aug 5, 2021 | The Alex Jones Show, Ivory Hecker

BOMBSHELL: British Funeral Director John O'Looney: Deaths Skyrocketed '300%' After Covid Vaccine (Video)
RAIR Foundation USA ^ | October 14, 2021 | Renee Nal

Respiratory Therapist Blows Whistle: "I'm Watching People DIE" (15 minute video) [He and others meet Oct 23, Noon at the State Capitol in St. Paul, Minnesota to walk to Gov's Mansion
rumble.com ^ | October 12, 2021 | Stew Peters, Mark Bishofsky

WARNING: NURSING HOME WHISTLEBLOWER, "PATIENTS DYING LIKE FLIES AFTER VACCINE"
brighteon.com ^ | January 28, 2021 | Brighteon User: Contrarian

Witnessing the harm done by vaccines explains why so many medical people and first responders are willing to lose their jobs rather than volunteer for biowweapon injections. 

And in you snd your followers chronic posting of every breathless and unsubstantiated claim as gospel fact, it is becoming nothing more than irrelevant noise.

The plain fact is you want people to believe penumbras and shadows as gospel truth while attempting to deny the obvious. It has and is failing as the chronic drumbeat is gathering little movement.

Oh come on - the blind belief in 'gospel truth' is what your leaders, Fauci and the CDC, live by. They never prove anything. They're out there urging children and pregnant women to get a toxic experimental vaccine for a highly treatable illness to which the young are not succeptible. Instead - they push the vax. 

Your numbers are grossly inflated on logic that is faulty. You have no data. Just rantings of those with an agenda and yet you post it as if it were gospel fact. You have selected what conclusion you want and are working back from that conclusion trying to force things to for your narrative. It’s why there is zero clear evidence supporting your beliefs.

Refute Steve Kirsch's valid, defensible information and win 1 million dollars. You can prove him wrong, prove me wrong, AND win 1 million dollars! DO IT! 

Comment to ACIP meeting of August 30, 2021 submitted by Steve Kirsch (with 20 experts including Dr Malone, Dr. Vanden Bossche, Dr. McCullough, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Fareed
skirsch.com ^ | August 30, 2021 | Steve Kirsch

I'm not making up data, I'm quoting experts with evidence the CDC, NIH, and FDA pretend don't exist. Zelenko, McCullough, Dr. Merrit and others are saving lives, and the CDC won't acknowldege them, other than to attack them, and won't even advise the public to make sure they get enough Vitamin D to cut RISK.

FReepers are sharing stories of 'vaccine' harm you also ignore.

LilFarmer: "I have noticed many posts of personal experiences with adverse reactions to the vaccine and thought it would be helpful to put them all in one place."
8/24/2021 | LilFarmer

It is also why I’m order for you to to be correct. That all but the dirty dozen of physicians who you regularly quote would have to be in on some conspiracy. Every physician including my colleagues on free republic would have to be coordinating our stories and lying.

Those the Biden machinery attacks are now deemed the 'dirty dozen'? Want to include all the others the Biden regime is attacking? How about the Jan 6 political prisoners he's taken. Are they 'dirty' too? Who says they are dirty? The CDC/MSM/NIH/Fauci...and YOU.

You and your fellow fake doctors are pretending there is no suppression or censorship. You know who else believes there's no censorship or suppression of medical evidence? The CDC and Fauci. Funny how that always happens, eh?

Dr. Hoffe was threatened for asking why his 900 patients, which he vaccinated, had higher rates of vaccine harm that didn't match Pfizer's trial claims. He was issued a gag order, his hospital privileges were stripped, he lost half his income and his clinic burned down. Anyone who stands up to The Plandemic Narrative is viciously attacked - and you pretend there's just a 'dirty dozen' out there making up wild lies and attaching their names, reputations to them for no reason.

But all you and your group have is that we are lying and other people have said….
Well if you believe some whistleblower with no direct clinical presence you must lend equal weight to those of us who are dismissed as anonymous physicians who are probably lying

WORLD-WIDE EVIDENCE refutes you. Clinical evidence, first person accounts, successful physicians who stand in front of a camera and take the abuse to get the word out. Entire nations report their populations are responding well to Ivermectin, the safety and efficacy of ivermectin/HCQ are extensive and well known, and then read you and your anonymous, fake doctor 'colleagues' insisting Ivermectin is useless. I'm supposed to believe fake anonymous doctors pushing the Fauci party line?

Your story has more wholes than Swiss cheese. You just are blinded by your agenda to see it.

The CDC/Fauci/NIH are weaponized. You and your kind either quote Fauci or his sources, attack the messenger or change the subject. Where's your report to refute Steve Kirsch's report?

You and the CDC et. al. pursue an agenda that is damaging the US and that's not something you regret. 

The CCP may treat its ardent supporters who are shoving the vax like they are important loyalists, or special now, but they don't mean it.

Video: Communist Professor Declares That U.S. Was Defeated In ‘Biological War’ With China CCP affiliated researcher says China “put the U.S. back in its place”
summit.news ^ | May 19, 2021 | Steve Watson

 



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To: ransomnote; gas_dr; Gene Eric
***GRUDGE PING INCOMING***

I wonder which FR 'doctor' you're addressing here. Such a mystery.

*fart*

Pardon me. I had a magical fruit burrito and it gave me gas.


41 posted on 10/18/2021 6:22:54 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: adorno

mRNA type “vaccines” have been in development for 10 years. That record of success and failures could be explored.
Gain of Function research has been going on for more than a decade. More openness about that would save a few souls (of those keeping their mouth shut).
Both of those endeavors have been funded by public dollars for those 10 years. Honest details about that funding would be revealing.

But yeah, who’s gonna provide the data, faced with being branded a criminal and ostracized from society for doing so.


42 posted on 10/18/2021 6:27:38 PM PDT by Tellurian (Your phone is your cattle tag. 2/4/2004: DARPA Lifelog terminated, MZ Facebook initiated. )
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To: adorno

If you look at the patents on this virus, they go back quite a few years.


43 posted on 10/18/2021 6:37:50 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: gitmo

I know someone who knows someone who knows someone who has the covid. Two years into this shit and I still don’t know anybody who has or has had it.


44 posted on 10/18/2021 6:39:25 PM PDT by chuckb87
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To: adorno
For a real emergency.

Bingo.

The survival rate for a fall from four stories is about 50%.

Let's assume the mortality rate for our subject should he not jump, is 100%.

In this case, the survival odds are elevated dramatically with the emergency solution - let's say it's elevated to 98%. Sure, you may have sme broken bones, but you live.

The general case fatality rate for COVID19 prior to the shots in the US was about 1.6%, which means the survival rate was 98.4%.

So, please explain the me where is the emergency?

45 posted on 10/18/2021 6:39:28 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: ransomnote

If the shots are safe, why is a new government compensation program (FECA) being set up for shot-injured fed workers?

Rep Thomas Massie asked the question:

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1449470266690740229

Townhall reported on the program set-up :

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/10/18/department-of-labor-plans-to-compensate-federal-employees-for-vaccine-injuries-n2597604

The FECA gov website:

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/owcp/FECA/regs/compliance/DFECfolio/FECABulletins/FY2020-2024


46 posted on 10/18/2021 6:42:39 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.) )
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bump


47 posted on 10/18/2021 6:46:10 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Ouderkirk

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Now, I think the 10 years worth of data is big ask that is not available at this time. But, your point (as I see it) is that no-one is studying anything. It is the mRNA vax or nothing. There are no studies being performed (that we are aware of) to check the efficacy of prophylactic alternatives to the mRNA. Ivermectin, HCQ, Z-pak, or anything else.

It begets several questions: first is if this 99% survivable outside of a vulnerable populations why would we have this mRNA stuff be jammed into our bodies? Second, is If the mRNA stuff works, then why are so many who have taken it still getting sick? Third, if the mRNA stuff is so great, then why would a booster be necessary? Fourth, why are they so adamant that those who have had it and recovered take the dopey shot? What value does it confer for those who have recovered?

It seems that a reasonable conversation about anything surrounding this, is impossible with each side dug-in and irrational about their positions.
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My point is that they don’t have data to prove that it’s safe and effective. Even the pharma FDA filings said they had ‘data gaps’ and they didn’t have data on pregnant women, co-morbidities, infectivity or immunity. They said “we don’t know”. The CDC then made false unsupported statements.

you said: “It seems that a reasonable conversation about anything surrounding this, is impossible with each side dug-in and irrational about their positions.”

Each side isn’t irrational - the CDC demansd we accept at face value any false statement they choose to make. They’ve been lying to us for 18 months and together with the MSM, they insist we obey their every unconstitutional prounouncement. They deny life saving medications and force ones that are toxic - we are supposed to obey.

No one refuted Zelnko, McCullough, or Steve Kirsch. The CDC/NIH/Fauci ignore all accountability and fabricate the narrative.

Ivermectin is FDA approved, safe, in use for years. How is it ‘dug in’ and irrational to demand access, standard access including off label prescription, of a safe FDA approved drug while fighting off experimental vaccines that ‘no one cares’ if they have data about?


48 posted on 10/18/2021 6:49:32 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: phoneman08
Splain this Lucy.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You're quoting CDC stats to me and you need an explanation? THEY LIE. They have been lying. They are lying still.

49 posted on 10/18/2021 6:53:09 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

And yet the FDA orders blood pressure medicine that had four reported cases to be recalled immediately. Whereas, the “vaccine” kills and they approve it and the government mandates it. WTH.


50 posted on 10/18/2021 6:55:36 PM PDT by grcuster
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To: ransomnote

Well, I don’t know what to think about this. Gas/dr and DugwayDan haven’t been seen yet. /s


51 posted on 10/18/2021 6:55:43 PM PDT by wjcsux (RIP Rush Limbaugh 12 Jan 1951- 17 Feb 2021. We really miss you. 😢)
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To: adorno

Vaccines are not appropriate for emergencies. They need to be tested first. Vaccination campaigns during epidemics are contraindicated.
I doubt if anyone has been saved by the vaccines since the number of cases is higher as vaccinations increase. It is far more likely that the variants driven by the leaky vaccines and the deleterious effect on the immune system by the vaccines have increased the deaths.


52 posted on 10/18/2021 6:59:11 PM PDT by JayGalt (The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.)
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To: SoConPubbie; ransomnote

It’s a great mystery why the medical world fails to recognize the concentrated genius of the vax fear school of medicine.


53 posted on 10/18/2021 6:59:29 PM PDT by Pelham ('Viruses don't exist' is the latest variant of Flat Earth theory)
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To: ransomnote

Figures.

Of course, you’ll hang on every word spouted by every wackjob article posted on the Liberty Daily and regurgitate it unquestionably.

That CDC data is collected from all fifty states which makes it one hell of a conspiracy.


54 posted on 10/18/2021 6:59:49 PM PDT by phoneman08 (qwiyrqweopigradfdz oncmccRthym,.dadfjl,dz )
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To: JayGalt

“Vaccination campaigns during epidemics are contraindicated.”

Where do we find that written?


55 posted on 10/18/2021 7:00:58 PM PDT by Pelham ('Viruses don't exist' is the latest variant of Flat Earth theory)
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To: MrChips

Sure you did...


56 posted on 10/18/2021 7:01:18 PM PDT by HypatiaTaught (Sounds like a conspiracy theory? Wait 6 months and it will be truth.)
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To: bagster

BTW. My statement was sarcasm.


57 posted on 10/18/2021 7:01:51 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: adorno

99.8% cure rate is not equivalent from being trapped on an upper story during a fire. Try again.


58 posted on 10/18/2021 7:02:01 PM PDT by JayGalt (The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.)
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To: Pelham

The medical world, in my opinion, is sort of retarded. Preempting a reply I would say most of the good they do is due to acquired knowledge produced by precious generations. The scientific world helps to advance knowledge.


59 posted on 10/18/2021 7:02:11 PM PDT by TTFX ( )
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To: ransomnote

bkmk


60 posted on 10/18/2021 7:02:23 PM PDT by CFW
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