Posted on 10/18/2021 3:16:44 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Federal employees have been given until November 22 to be fully vaccinated. Information on how the mandate would be implemented was slow in coming and is still not very clear to most employees or to the HR personnel tasked with carrying out the implementation. Employees in some agencies were asked to complete a vaccine attestation and request an accommodation, if applicable, only after the agencies had announced the first deadline (October 11) for the first jab of the Moderna two-dose vaccine (October 18 is the deadline for the first jab of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine) necessary to meet the mid-November deadline.
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There are, however, several factors for federal employees to consider when contemplating whether to give in to the vaccine mandates now or to remain unvaccinated. While it may seem that a large percentage of federal employees have attested to being fully vaccinated, it is very important to consider that, statistically speaking, those most likely to be vaccinated are in the older age brackets -- those brackets where the virus thrives best and presents the greatest danger to health and life. Younger workers are much safer than older workers, so it stands to reason that the highest percentage of federal employees receiving the vaccine would be those in the older age groups. According to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the average age for non-seasonal full-time permanent employees is 47.5 years and the minimum retirement age in federal service is 57 years. This means that, on average, about half of the nation's federal employees could be a little less than ten years out from retirement. There is no breakdown on the number of employees over age 57 who could retire for any number of reasons, but there have been speculations for years about a mass exodus of retirement-age federal employees.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Federal employees resisting the mRNA experiment need to stick around as long as they can and document everything. They will need to testify at Nuremberg II.
I have faith that many people will continue to fight the evil democrat taliban party.
First, take as much personal time as you have coming for you.
Second,that all I really have.
Maybe some class action suit?
First, take as much personal time as you have coming TO you.
Second, that’s all I really have.
Maybe some KIND OF class action suit?
There is zero info available from HR as to how this comes about.
Do they offer me retirement? Severance?
I've got a Secret clearance and will have to be "read out" - does that happen after they fire me?
What happens to all of my (company-issued) computer equipment and (etc) I have in my home office (do they send security personnel to my home w/o a warrant)?
They have not worked any of this out yet - sort of like how they pulled out of Afghanistan - just say it and it will be done. That's how toddlers think.
And I thought the "adults" were now in charge.
They will probably send a SWAT no-knock visit in the a.m. to confiscate the equipment and deny any severance, pension, etc. I work in IT for my local county and am just waiting for this to happen here as well.
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Psalm 73 wrote:
“I’ve got a Secret clearance and will have to be “read out” - does that happen after they fire me?”
You would be ‘read out’ on your last day of employment. Technically, that would be before your termination.
“What happens to all of my (company-issued) computer equipment and (etc) I have in my home office (do they send security personnel to my home w/o a warrant)?”
You will be given the opportunity to turn in that equipment or pay for it. They do have the right to retrieve that equipment.
I would imagine the unions will get involved.
“I would imagine the unions will get involved.”
Maybe, big maybe, at the local level. Most if not all at the national level rolled over. But you can bet your last dollar that had Trump made such a mandate they would be fighting tooth and nail.
The federal unions don’t care about exemptions. They are mostly lib leaning, so they’re not fighting for the constituents. “No jab, no job” is their mantra.
If you have not had covid file a religious exemption and do not state why. The federal government is not the arbitrator. Do not quit under any circumstance.
If you have had covid, get a t-cell immunity test- https://www.t-detect.com/
Cost ~$220, but it is supporting documentation for a wrongful termination suit down the road. This is my intention as I am filing both medical and religious.
As a contractor, your terms of employment cannot be changed without a contract modification, or the end of the option year period of performance.
Absolutely understand the uneasiness about this, but the EO cannot override existing contract law.
Not all federal agencies are equal - some (USPS) are more equal than others, and some don’t even run on federal tax dollars. They don’t even have the same retirement programs, and at least one agency doesn’t have a retirement system plan for employees hired after around 2016 or so.
That said, I would urge all to try to get the religious exemption, if for no other reason than to help with the coming lawsuit that will undoubtedly be filed if they push this all the way to the end and actually start firing individuals.
Use all the tools available, and fight tooth-and-nail.
I read your excerpt but not the whole article. What I did read seems wrong headed and of a surrender monkey.
This is far from over. This game of chicken and test of wills is just beginning I think.
Don’t fold, make them fire you and give cause in writing if at all possible.
I wrote this yesterday, the gist of it is who is the arbiter and how are they qualified and by what standard do they measure the “sincerity” of religious belief?
So let your speech be yea, yea or nay, nay for to say more is of the devil. Any letter of refusal of the jab needs to be short with little to no embellishment. It just needs to say you are accepting the offer of exception on the grounds of “sincerely held” religious belief.
I have been shoveling, mowing, blowing and mulling this over some more this afternoon. Additional points for consideration, this is not short:
In an appeal, do not allow yourself to be drawn into an irrelevant logic trap such as, “you take other vaccines that use fetal tissue derivatives why won’t you take this one?” Answer, this is the one of the subject at hand. The offer for religious accommodation has been made for this one only and I accept that offer on the grounds of my sincerely held religious belief against taking it or any of its cousins.
We have also fallen into the trap of the grounds being because of use of fetal tissue or derivatives. I thinkk that is not important. What is important is that the taking of the vaccine violates my sincerely held religious beliefs that are unspecified as that is not a condition of religious accommodation. Is it? I have not seen so.
I believe we also fall into the trap of thinking our beliefs have to be based on some established mainstream religion supported by a note from a priest or clergy. I don’t think that is true. First of all I do not recognize either priest or clergy as qualified or superior to my faith. The practice of religion can be a religion of one declared by me. That is true by the Constitution though it is not my belief. How else have atheists managed to impose their “religion” on societal norms and practice such as prayer in school?
I can even create my own code or bible but The Bible says “Let each seek his own salvation with fear and trembling” That, in my upbringing, means I will find my own salvation according to my own understanding and image of my God or even some other person or thing though mine is God. My understanding may be wrong and I may fail but it is still my choice and understanding of even God’s word.
I will not recognize any man who claims to judge my sincerity or correctness of religious belief. It is not for a man, any man, to say that I am right or wrong in this regard. Many of us will surely fail in fact but it is at our own peril. All dogs may go to heaven but all men will not and it will surprise all of us how it turns out.
The consequence of failure to obey God’s word correctly in my religious understanding is too critical for me or anyone else to direct me or for me to direct them. I will not allow anyone to tell me how to attain my salvation without invoking my own discretion, understanding and discernment. I will also not tell or expect anyone else to follow my direction as to how to pursue salvation and perhaps because of a mistake condemn them to the fires of hell for all eternity without expecting them to prove the way is right for themselves. I will lead them to The Word though and let them make their own choices.
Religious accommodation has been offered and it can only rightfully be offered without conditions neither have I seen such conditions attached other than the misdirected and unprovable suggestion of “sincerely held”. Tomfoolery written by someone who has no idea what he is saying. It is not definable or determinable.
I will accept your offer of exception to the Covid Vaccine on the grounds of sincerely held religious belief and in accordance with my sincerely held religious belief my position is that I will not take the Covid-19 vaccine. End of story, stick to it.
If one insists on a religious reason there are others, at least one comes to mind: “Do you not know your body is a temple?” I have not and will not knowingly take anything into my body that I believe to defile it or not to the advantage of my body and I will not now. End of story. “But you take other vaccines, why not this one?” Because I believe those others prevent disease and are to the advantage of my body.
The Declaration states that our rights, as recognized and enumerated, derive from God. It also recognizes that nobody can take these stated and personally held rights away from us and then goes on in the Bill of Rights to state these rights. Do not let them take away your God given right to self-determination.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers....”
None of this calls for anarchy, indeed, it calls for the strictest adherence to order and respect of our rights. I don’t see anyplace it provides for capricious mandates of questionable and evidently increasingly ineffective vaccines of any kind or derivation. Nor does it call for or permit determination by anyone as to the sincerity and nature of my religious beliefs.
That's what I mean by "toddler thinking" - they believe in stating things, but have no idea how that would/should come about.
Like the Afghanistan pull-out.
That’s exactly what my son is doing. He filed a religious exemption and they had the temerity to ask in writing what denomination…two days after a meeting about non-discrimination.
He’s seeking counsel on how to answer that.
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