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Romanian billionaire among eight dead in plane crash near Milan
https://nypost.com ^ | October 4, 2021 12:23am | By Kenneth Garger

Posted on 10/04/2021 7:19:49 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Newtoidaho

When my ex was taking flying lessons his instructor told him that almost every plane crash could be traced to pilot error.


21 posted on 10/04/2021 8:18:54 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

While a twin engine has redundancies that may add to safety, it also adds complications when system begin to fail. It is statistically proven that while single engine aircraft failure may result in more unintentional landings/crashes, the survival rate of that is much higher than when a twin loses an engine and crashes. Flying a twin on one engine is a task due to asymmetric thrust and drag that can quickly lead to stall/spin if airspeed is not maintained.

Additionally, most of these accident both twin and single occur in piston driven aircraft. Piston engines have much higher failure rates than turbine aircraft. The Pilatus, the Cessna Caravan, and many other turbine aircraft are highly reliable, and when you do lose an engine, are pretty easy to dead stick to landing.


22 posted on 10/04/2021 8:20:43 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: unixfox
He’s a billionaire and he’s in a SINGLE ENGINE aircraft?

The more relevant question is, 'What is a billionaire and his bloated ego doing flying his own plane?'

Ego and 'safe flight' don't usually go together well.
23 posted on 10/04/2021 8:38:36 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: Red Badger

“The Swiss-made Pilatus 12 is the Mercedes of single-engine turboprops.”

Well, there ya go. The engine quit midflight or the electronics completely shut down or some such mechanical failure.


24 posted on 10/04/2021 8:52:57 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Seruzawa

Witnesses said it was on fire as it went down...............


25 posted on 10/04/2021 8:57:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Early Pandora fatalities?


26 posted on 10/04/2021 8:59:53 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( In your private, business, social and what ever life!: "All ways, ask Cui Bono?"!)
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To: Red Badger

Witnesses said it was on fire as it went down...............


Obviously a center fuel tank vapor explosion.


27 posted on 10/04/2021 9:08:26 AM PDT by nesnah (Infringe - act so as to limit or undermine [something]; encroach onre)
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To: nesnah

Must have been a total electrical failure as there was no mayday call................


28 posted on 10/04/2021 9:10:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Never fly more than two people in a single engine piston aircraft.
Barnstormer rule of thumb since 1937....
4 is pushin it...
5 is a flyin coffin...
Even the military doesn`t do it except for old overpowered torpedo bombers


29 posted on 10/04/2021 9:16:51 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (That`s 464 people per square foot! Is this corrrect?? It was NYC.)
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To: bunkerhill7

goes for turboprops as well


30 posted on 10/04/2021 9:17:47 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (That`s 464 people per square foot! Is this corrrect?? It was NYC.)
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To: ASOC; Red Badger

Please let us know what you find out since it is a good airplane and great safety record.

31 posted on 10/04/2021 9:18:06 AM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (The Business of America is Business.)
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To: Mr. K

These Clintoons never ever leave us alone. There are too many murders by the Clintoons during their life span.

The big Dawgs in this case are both the Dawg and Miss Hillary.

32 posted on 10/04/2021 9:22:53 AM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (The Business of America is Business.)
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To: Red Badger

What is important is was he vaccinated?


33 posted on 10/04/2021 9:30:06 AM PDT by wgmalabama (We will find out if the Vac or virus risk was the correct choice - can we put truth above narrative)
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To: nesnah

LOL, textbook center fuel tank explosion. Happens to the best of them.


34 posted on 10/04/2021 9:32:58 AM PDT by pghbjugop
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To: Red Badger

Yep. Classic Mercedes-Benz.


35 posted on 10/04/2021 9:33:49 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Red Badger

Witnesses sometimes arent reliable. I’d like to see video of the crash (not the crash site) before I believed it was on fire.

As one with several thousand hours in similar turboprop aircraft, while fire is a possibility, its not very likely. Catastrophic failure of these type of engines or aircraft in general is not very likely. Pilot error however, is quite common. Weather/visibility is a common factor.


36 posted on 10/04/2021 9:37:51 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Magnum44

Sabotage is likely as well......................


37 posted on 10/04/2021 9:39:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

I guess some billionaires can acquire enemies over time...


38 posted on 10/04/2021 9:40:15 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Seruzawa
Yep. Classic Mercedes-Benz.

Oohhh. Burn.

39 posted on 10/04/2021 10:09:43 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: Magnum44

I disagree with your comment that complications are added when systems begin to fail. A twin engine aircraft supplies two sources of electrical power, two sources for hydraulics, two sources for pressurization, two sources of bleed air for deicing and secondary systems (such as door seals, hydraulic reservoirs, etc.).

I disagree with your comment that flying on one engine is a task due to asymmetric thrust. When a multiengine aircraft is certified by the FAA, the maximum allowable rudder pressure during single engine operations is 150 pounds. That would only occur during high power, low airspeed situations, like the initial phase of take off. Losing an engine in cruise, descent or landing is a non-event. In fact, it’s not even an “emergency” in the checklists in the later Boeing products.


40 posted on 10/04/2021 10:31:44 AM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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