Posted on 09/23/2021 1:24:31 PM PDT by Theoria
Human footprints found in New Mexico are about 23,000 years old, a study reported, suggesting that people may have arrived long before the Ice Age’s glaciers melted.
Ancient human footprints preserved in the ground across the White Sands National Park in New Mexico are astonishingly old, scientists reported on Thursday, dating back about 23,000 years to the Ice Age.
The results, if they hold up to scrutiny, would rejuvenate the scientific debate about how humans first spread across the Americas, implying that they did so at a time when massive glaciers covered much of their path.
Researchers who have argued for such an early arrival hailed the new study as firm proof.
“I think this is probably the biggest discovery about the peopling of America in a hundred years,” said Ciprian Ardelean, an archaeologist at Autonomous University of Zacatecas in Mexico who was not involved in the work. “I don’t know what gods they prayed to, but this is a dream find.”
For decades, many archaeologists have maintained that humans spread across North and South America only at the end of the last ice age. They pointed to the oldest known tools, including spear tips, scrapers and needles, dating back about 13,000 years. The technology was known as Clovis, named for the town of Clovis, N.M., where some of these first instruments came to light.
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The age of the Clovis tools lined up neatly with the retreat of the glaciers. That alignment bolstered a scenario in which Siberian hunter-gatherers moved into Alaska during the Ice Age, where they lived for generations until ice-free corridors opened and allowed them to expand southward.
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It was reported that the Mandans also used Welsh words. Thirty years ago I had an interesting conversation in a DC bar with a women who said she had been doing ancient research in California before coming to DC. She said there was evidence of humans from 200,000 years ago out there, but it was extremely controversial and one reason she left (had to leave?).
See my comment #81 regarding a disappointed/disgraced? woman I met 30 years or more ago.
America B.C.A fascinating letter I received from a Shoshone Indian who had been traveling in the Basque country of Spain tells of his recognition of Shoshone words over there, including his own name, whose Shoshone meaning proved to match the meaning attached to a similar word by the modern Basques. Unfortunately I mislaid this interesting letter. If the Shoshone scholar who wrote to me should chance to see these words I hope he will forgive me and contact me again. The modern Basque settlers of Idaho may perhaps bring forth a linguist to investigate matters raised in this chapter. [p 173]
by Barry Fell
(1976)
find it in a nearby libraryfrom Iberia, Not Siberia:Although questionable in the minds of most anthropologists, some linguistic evidence might point toward the Iberian Peninsula. In the 1960's, the Morris Swadesh in the Handbook of Middle American Indians, claimed he found a connection between the Nadene (Athasbascan) linguistic family of North America and the Basque linguistic isolate. This connection, he argued, dated back thousands of years. Basque is the only European language to have survived the influence of proto-Indo-European, which entered the Basque region more than 5,000 years ago. One can infer then that Basque language is at least 5,000 years old, and some argue it is far older. The Basque themselves contend they have survived in their homeland for tens of thousands of years. Though Swadesh has been criticized as a lumper when it comes to linguistic correlations, the claim is nonetheless intriguing under the circumstances. It should be noted that linguist Merritt Ruhlen recently reported to have located a language related to Nadene in Asia. Ket, the only remaining member of the Yeniseian family of languages, shares common words like "birch bark" with some Nadene languages. Ket is spoken by about 550 people (out of a total population of 1,100) who live along the Yenisei River in central Siberia (Lysek 2000).
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/fossil-footprints-humans-occupied-north-america-ice-age-2021-9
I went to Google News, searched for the phrase "ancient footprints" and found several other sources.
Soul Train, I remember that show..................
I think people migrated here from Asia, Europe and Polynesia via many different routes, north, south, east and west.
As for the arrowheads, form follows function, and always has.........................
So if this is correct, the Europeans didn’t steal the land, they reclaimed it. How does that affect our Indian treaties? Can we revoke reservations, and reclaim those lands as well? Asking for a friend.
Claiming an ancient date that overturns a hypothesis requires significant evidence. If you don’t have it, than all you’re doing is speculating.
Current archeology requires a knowledge of harder sciences than years ago. Look at the OP. The lead author is a geologist in the UK. This is hard evidence against the Berengia Standstill hypothesis which has been advocated by archeogeneticists both here and in Europe.
It’s a big one to overturn. One that I never thought made much sense.
I too believe America was settled from a number of different directions. The Portuguese were fishing the Grand Banks of Newfoundland before Columbus “discoverev” America, so it is certainly possible Basques could have come here. Do we know haw many millenia old that fishing tradition was? Did the Cartheginians use it or the Philestines? Forty years ago I was at Epcot Center in Florida and saw a cup that had figures on it that looked Japanese although it was ascribed to a precolumbian Mexican civilization. It looked exactly like art work I had seen in History and Appreciation of Art while in college. I also have seen Amazon tribal pictures in National Geographic in which the tribal members looked Caucasian, not Amerindian. And these were very isolated tribes, not ones that were likely to be interacting sexually with European Brazilians.
Regarding arrow heads and spear points. Most of the large animals of North America died out around the time the Clovis tradion disappeared around 13,000 ya. There has been plenty of FR speculation regarding this phenomenon. I was at a small museum in a mid south state that had an extensive exibit of locally found stone points. None of them, even the spear points were more than 5 or 6 inches, and the arrows much smaller. This display was listed as around 8,000 years old. Obviously for much smaller animals, although forest bison still existed in that area for which the spear points would have been suitable
I wondered if the tracks were some kind of monkey or something. They look weird
I ran into the Solutrean angle a few years ago and have been reading as much as I can find about it. I have been long convinced that there were several very early migrations to the Americas. I know that there is DNA evidence of 25k old European genes as well as Polynesian and Chinese and Phoenician and lots of etc.
Phoenicians! That was how I got started on this angle. Back in 7th grade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Phoenician_discovery_of_the_Americas
Nephilim
Stonehenge multiple coordinates
Yup, this is it, the Digest ping for the week! Here are the rest of the week's new topics, looks like we're getting there.
Wow. What an idea!
Thanks, SC!
I read this on FB this morning (early) so I’m excited to see it. Maybe I should have pung you.
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Pinged, panged, punged. ;^)
Thank you!
My pleasure.
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