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Ancient Footprints Push Back Date of Human Arrival in the Americas
The New York Times ^ | 23 Sept 2021 | Carl Zimmer

Posted on 09/23/2021 1:24:31 PM PDT by Theoria

Human footprints found in New Mexico are about 23,000 years old, a study reported, suggesting that people may have arrived long before the Ice Age’s glaciers melted.

Ancient human footprints preserved in the ground across the White Sands National Park in New Mexico are astonishingly old, scientists reported on Thursday, dating back about 23,000 years to the Ice Age.

The results, if they hold up to scrutiny, would rejuvenate the scientific debate about how humans first spread across the Americas, implying that they did so at a time when massive glaciers covered much of their path.

Researchers who have argued for such an early arrival hailed the new study as firm proof.

“I think this is probably the biggest discovery about the peopling of America in a hundred years,” said Ciprian Ardelean, an archaeologist at Autonomous University of Zacatecas in Mexico who was not involved in the work. “I don’t know what gods they prayed to, but this is a dream find.”

For decades, many archaeologists have maintained that humans spread across North and South America only at the end of the last ice age. They pointed to the oldest known tools, including spear tips, scrapers and needles, dating back about 13,000 years. The technology was known as Clovis, named for the town of Clovis, N.M., where some of these first instruments came to light.

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The age of the Clovis tools lined up neatly with the retreat of the glaciers. That alignment bolstered a scenario in which Siberian hunter-gatherers moved into Alaska during the Ice Age, where they lived for generations until ice-free corridors opened and allowed them to expand southward.


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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ciprianardelean; clovis; fauxiantroll; fauxiantrolls; footprints; glaciation; godsgravesglyphs; iceage; jeffpigati; kathleenspringer; lakeotero; mexico; migration; newmexico; origins; paleontology; pleistocene; preclovis; ruppiacirrhosa; solutrean; solutreans; trackway; trackways; tularosabasin; uofzacatecas; whitesands
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To: Varda

I don’t know what to tell ya, Varda. The concept that alternative theories to Clovis first were pushed in academia or those who did were accepted by the establishment has been gone for “many decades” just isn’t reflected by reality. This is well known. I was a student in the space and worked on multiple Clovis sites as part of my major towards the end of this period. I don’t have much else to say about it


61 posted on 09/23/2021 4:40:21 PM PDT by Levy78
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To: Theoria

As long as one doesn’t look at the human footprints in the same sediment layer as the dinosaur tracks, that might hold true.


62 posted on 09/23/2021 4:57:50 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Levy78

Maybe that’s the difference in perspective. I’m in Adovasio’s territory and his advocacy was a ticket to a lot of power. Not many would have been given a department in another university after being kicked out of Pitt.


63 posted on 09/23/2021 4:58:05 PM PDT by Varda
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To: ping jockey

The river bottom below my house in Western NC has a mix of points and potsherds in it that are anywhere from 1,000 to 5,000 years old. I’ve found flint objects that came from 100 miles away and another stone type that comes from 200 miles away. These folks traveled and traded over wide distances.


64 posted on 09/23/2021 4:58:31 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The difference between animals and humans: animals would never let the dumbest of the herd lead them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Illegals don’t need ‘em...


65 posted on 09/23/2021 5:25:25 PM PDT by Adder ("Can you be more stupid?" is a question, not a challenge.)
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To: Theoria

Definitely makes sense that seafaring people could have whipped down the Pacific coast of North America very, very rapidly using the small islands as secure settlements for fishing & re-fitting. Heck they could have gotten clear down to Tierra del Fuego.


66 posted on 09/23/2021 5:33:07 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Theoria

Amazing... Interesting article


67 posted on 09/23/2021 5:50:12 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the one trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention)
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To: Levy78

“no amount evidence supporting the Solutrean culture coming to the USA first would ever be accepted”

Scientists at the National Museum of Natural History forbid the discussion of Solutrean culture coming to North America.


68 posted on 09/23/2021 6:01:46 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: PIF

they already got my book


69 posted on 09/23/2021 6:39:21 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (That`s 464 people per square foot! Is this corrrect?? It was NYC.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Read about the woman and the flying turtle legend ..oh itwill open your eyes


70 posted on 09/23/2021 6:40:44 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (That`s 464 people per square foot! Is this corrrect?? It was NYC.)
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To: Kevmo

Illegal migrants from Solutrea? Is that in Central America?


71 posted on 09/23/2021 6:47:16 PM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: nickcarraway

Or a Vax Passport... 🤓


72 posted on 09/23/2021 6:52:39 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the one trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention)
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To: nickcarraway

Or a Vax Passport... 🤓


73 posted on 09/23/2021 6:53:02 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the one trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention)
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To: nickcarraway

Or a Vax Passport... 🤓


74 posted on 09/23/2021 6:53:13 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the one trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention)
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To: Vaquero
"Yeah interesting. But can’t read the whole thing without a NYSlimes subscription"

Read it here.

75 posted on 09/23/2021 6:54:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: MNJohnnie

Great minds think alike.. we both said that about Vax passport... 🤓


76 posted on 09/23/2021 6:56:40 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the one trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention)
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To: Tallguy

I believe some came from across the Atlantic Ocean. Think about Vinland...


77 posted on 09/23/2021 7:15:42 PM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (I'm the one trying to save American Democracy...Donald Trump 6/21 at the NCGOP convention)
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To: PIF

I am a firm believer in multi timeline waves and multi path migration. There was an expansion from the South also. Not talked about much, and covered up, is that the most common place to find Clovis points is around the San Pedro River Valley in Az. I am sure they came up through Central America to the North before they came from the north to the South.


78 posted on 09/23/2021 7:21:30 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: ThanhPhero

From Europe. Read the Wikipedia page, it’s actually fascinating.


79 posted on 09/23/2021 7:25:15 PM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: Verginius Rufus

There are other ancient cultures who had knowledge of planets unseen yet. The dogon, the Sumerians, and they are finding others. So it is not beyond possible.


80 posted on 09/23/2021 7:25:31 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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