Posted on 09/21/2021 5:12:07 PM PDT by Grandpa Drudge
Since 2020, public health technocrats and their allies among elected officials have clung to the position that absolutely every person who can possibly get a covid vaccine should get one.
More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated.
The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.
The nonscientific, ideology-induced blind spot for natural immunity also prompted The BMJ (the journal of the British Medical Association) to note that "[w]hen the vaccine rollout began in mid-December 2020, more than one quarter of Americans—91 million—had been infected with SARS-CoV-2…. As of this May, that proportion had risen to more than a third of the population, including 44% of adults aged 18–59."
And yet, the authors note this fact doesn't appear to be a part of any policy discussion at all:
The substantial number of infections, coupled with the increasing scientific evidence that natural immunity was durable, led some medical observers to ask why natural immunity didn’t seem to be factored into decisions about prioritising vaccination.
At this point, it would be embarrassing for the regime to admit what actual scientific inquiry has shown: that natural immunity is generally superior to receiving the vaccine. The regime doesn't like to be embarrassed, and neither do the countless doctors and nurses who have long toed the regime's political line. So expect more of the same.
(Excerpt) Read more at mises.org ...
Of course, mandating vaccines—like mandating any medical treatment—would still be immoral even if we could list a dozen studies suggesting boosters are a boon and that natural immunity is no good.
Mandating medical treatment for the ‘benefit of society’ is a very, very slippery slope. To zealots, just about anything can be justified.
Even though I had covid I am treated as though I have the plague from all my vaccinated coworkers. Seriously, they are delusional as I’m no longer asked to go to lunch, my previous walking partners no longer associate with me anymore. These people, sadly are truly delusional and at times outright obnoxious.
If someone could post links to the studies that would be amazing
I asked if I needed to have a negative test before returning to volunteer work, was advised that it wasn't necessary. Surprised the heck out of me. My friends still are my friends too. Back to volunteering, have spoken with some hospital staff who also had Covid, not one pariah among them. Sorry to hear that you're being shunned. I agree that these people are delusional and obnoxious.
On the bright side, over the next couple of years you might be breaking in a lot of new co-workers.
“Seriously, they are delusional”
They really are. None of the official narrative about this disease makes any sense. We are being lied to on a massive scale.
Of course prior infection will be durable and more effective. We’ve thrown out 100+ years of virology on this while they say “follow the science”. Israel had been including previously infected and recovered among their “green passport” holders, but it is much easier to track people in a country that size and with a nationalized healthcare system.
In the USA, it will be very difficult to prove natural immunity. Each person basically has to figure it out for themselves and make their own choices. That is not something government likes to allow. So they sell us on “universal vaccination” like it’s a hamburger. Sloganeering is not science.
I’ve posted them multiple times. Search my history.
Or just Google Israeli Covid natural immunity
Here you go..15 studies
You are in fact, a perfect proof that the mRNA vaccine from Moderna does NOT protect anyone from infection with Covid-19.
Does the vaccine mandate make any sense at all to you?
When I read a sentence that shows the writer’s innumeracy as clearly as: “ those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic infection”
I am somewhat unlikely to accept their surmise, since they don’t understand that when referring to a LOWER chance of something, it is rationally exemplified through a FRACTIONAL demonstration e.g. half as likely, 1/27th as possible.
MULTIPLES are used SOLELY for examples of LARGER likelihoods, not lower, e.g. 5 times as many, 80 times more.
Just my inner grammarian coming through.
That said, I will make my decision on whether or not to get the mRNA shot AFTER I see the results in a few years. I am still recovering from a flu shot that messed me up several years ago, and I am quite leery at this time.
As a matter of fact, it's not difficult to determine and prove natural immunity at all. There are several very accurate serology test assays that do exactly that.
What HAS been extremely difficult, however, is actually getting access to the proper test. Here's a pretty good explanation why:
And by the way post # 32 in that thread (by me) details my difficulty in getting that test)
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3996481/posts?page=32#32
And another example why (watch the video):
The first problem is understanding what can be tested and which test is appropriate.
(and note: Semi-Quantitative Testing is NOT the one you need, but this outlines the process)
If you get the test from LabCorp, the one you need is SARS-CoV-2 Antibodies Nucleocapsid #164068
You will simply need to have your doctor order this test.
And you already know the "Spike" tests are inadequate, after all, you have the Spike protein vaccine already, and it diidn't work.
For the first step in simply understanding the tests, start here:
Thanks, Jane, that’s it.
It’s a fraction.
What I meant was, as a matter of public health policy, it would be difficult to prove prior infection and recovery TO THE GOVERNMENT and to the PRIVATE ENTERPRISES that mandate some or another action. We have idiots like DeBlasio mayor of NYC trying to turn 105 pound 21 year old hostesses into cops brawling over his moronic “passport” system.
I do agree it is possible to get an antibody test and get the documents to prove it; and should be just as easy to “load it” onto a “passport app” or come with a scannable bar code which was a document I needed when I went to Hawaii last fall (negative test papers). Had to scan it in at the airport when I landed. Passports I believe are roundly rejected by Americans. In Israel though they have a much more tight-knit country and largely centralized medical information which is largely why they can use Infected/Recovered data for their green pass system. In France on the other hand, they have tried to implement the passport, afaik recovered not included as protected, but many people charged with enforcing the rules (waiters in cafes, bars, restaurants etc) just ignore the mandate to ask for proof of vax.
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