Posted on 09/18/2021 9:57:24 AM PDT by MNDude
just saw videos today of an abortionist admitting Regeneron is created by dissecting the liver out from a fetus with a live heart. This liver is then used to "humanize" a mouse for further ingredients.
How can we possibly support such a demon drug?
Certainly not for the right reasons, but Joe did the right thing.
If a dying man can donate an organ, is that a sin? If a dying fetus can donate a few cells that end up saving millions of souls, is that a sin, too?
or we can go back to the good old days in Ireland where the church didn’t allow ectopic or breech or detached placenta or blood incompatibility, or sepsis, or a dozen other maternal emergencies, to be medically treated and the women would die a horrible, painful death over days or weeks. That was back when the average age at death in western civilization was 35.
And we can’t use puppies and primates any more because peta. Which pretty much leaves rodents.
THREE METHODS FOR GENERATING HUMANIZED MICE
https://www.taconic.com/taconic-insights/oncology-immuno-oncology/methods-generating-humanized-mice.html#:~:text=There%20are%20three%20ways%20to%20humanize%20a%20mouse%3A,human%20donor%20into%20a%20germ-free%20mouse%201%2C%202.
Really. Fetus ? Donate? Are you so grasping to this world that you will call a baby a fetus and call an abortion a donation? Are you on the correct forum / website. SuckTheBloodFromBabies.com might be your better option.
what animals were used for testing the covid vaccines?...
Not sure what the criteria is (vaginal birth vs. C-Section) but mother’s giving birth are asked if they consent to donating their umbilical cord blood for research.
It’s very common nowadays.
Inside the umbilical cord the blood contains embryo cells.
Only....no, n00b vax-troll....
Human Embryonic Stem Cells
By: Ke Wu
Published: 2010-09-13
Keywords: Stem cells, Differentiation, Human development
Stem cells are undifferentiated cells that are capable of dividing for long periods of time and can give rise to specialized cells under particular conditions. Embryonic stem cells are a particular type of stem cell derived from embryos. According to US National Institutes of Health (NIH), in humans, the term “embryo” applies to a fertilized egg from the beginning of division up to the end of the eighth week of gestation, when the embryo becomes a fetus.
Between fertilization and the eighth week of gestation, the embryo undergoes multiple cell divisions. At the eight-cell stage, roughly the third day of division, all eight cells are considered totipotent, which means the cell has the capability of becoming a fully developed human being.
By day four, cells begin to separate and form a spherical layer which eventually becomes the placenta and tissue that support the development of the future fetus. A mass of about thirty cells, called the inner cell mass, forms at one end of the sphere and eventually becomes the body.
When the sphere and inner cell mass are fully formed, around day 5, the pre-implantation embryo is referred to as a blastocyst. At this point the cells in the inner cell mass have not yet differentiated, but have the ability to develop into any specialized cell type that makes up the body. This property is known as pluripotency.
As of 2009, embryonic stem cells refer to pluripotent cells that are generally derived from the inner cell mass of blastocysts.....
https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/human-embryonic-stem-cells
And, this (I thought you’ve claimed to be in the medical field 🤔)....
Difference Between Umbilical Cord Stem Cells and Embryonic Stem Cells
....Summary – Umbilical Cord Stem Cells vs Embryonic Stem Cells
Umbilical cord stem cells and embryonic stem cells are two types of important stem cells. Umbilical cord stem cells include both umbilical cord tissue and blood stem cells which are undifferentiated cells. They can be differentiated into several types hence they are multipotent. Embryonic stem cells are the undifferentiated cells isolated from five to eight days old embryo developed by in vitro fertilization. They are pluripotent and can be specialized into many cell types in the human. This is the difference between umbilical cord stem cells and embryonic stem cells....
(Lots of explanatory info, at above link, in case you want to learn MORE about the difference.)
If a dying man can donate an organ, is that a sin?
If a dying fetus can donate a few cells that end up saving millions of souls, is that a sin, too?
WTAbsoluteFlip??????
A dying fetus???
Yeah..you’re pretty much ‘dying’ when you’re being ripped apart, limb to limb....all while your liver is being dissected and your tiny heart is STILL beating.....without being able to give ‘consent’, like the dying old man got to do.
Sick as heck.
As others have said...you are on the wrong forum.
VI (VelocImmune) mice are Regeneron’s patented product.
They have a video on their website if you want to know how they are created.
That does not answer my question. I want to know what method Regeneron used for their humanized mice used in their antibody treatment.
This how they did it in 2017:
“Fetal liver samples were obtained from the Human Fetal Tissue Repository at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY, and from Advanced Biosciences Resources, Alameda, CA. Tissues were cut in small fragments, treated for 45 minutes at 37°C with Collagenase D (100 ng/mL; Roche) and a cell suspension was prepared. Human CD34+ cells were purified by density gradient centrifugation, followed by positive immunomagnetic selection using anti-human CD34+ microbeads (Miltenyi Biotec). Newborn pups were sublethally irradiated with 180 cGy and 100 000 CD34+ cells were injected into the liver. The mice were bled 8 to 10 weeks post-engraftment to check for the reconstitution of the human immune system. More than 20 fetal liver samples were used and the same donor sample was transplanted for both human IL-6–positive and negative recipients to exclude variations that related to the donor.”
In the acknowledgments it reads “The authors thank the Regeneron Pharmaceuticals’ Velocigene team for generating human IL-6 knock-in mice”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006497120336673#ceack10
I want to know if this how they humanized their mice for regen-cov2.
https://www.regeneron.com/science/technology link to their several videos of their tech.
VI mice are created by injecting mice embryos with genetically modified human DNA via BACvec Bacterial Artificial Chromosomes vectors.
I am going to assume their DNA is adult or cord sourced because it is cheap and plentiful. I am assuming that since they wanted to produce human covid antibodies it was gotten from recovered sick people.
Again, Regeneron plainly states that no fetal tissue was used in development or production and HEK was used only in efficacy testing. And HEK was sourced from a therapeutic abortion when it was the only legal kind allowed. So you will have to decide where your moral line is drawn.
Thanks for the info. The VI mice have been around at least since 2008, so pre covid. Or were you talking about the non-mouse part of the monoclonals?
I plan to keep digging on this and hopefully find out where they got the human DNA for their mice. A lot of information to sift through.
They said “no fetal tissue”. I’ve wondered if companies use this phrasing instead of “no fetal DNA” as an end run around the ethics issue.
Yup. And you have to say a prayer to Moloch before investing it, or it won’t work.
//sarcasm
“ And, this (I thought you’ve claimed to be in the medical field 🤔)....”
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I’m a Paramedic not an OB/GYN, Ma’am.
I delivered many babies (messy and gross). But don’t discuss their cords LOL.
I got that umbilical cord info from my daughters and other female kin that are having babies of their own now.
But you did a great job of educating us here today.
Thanks for that.
Very good info.
P.S. I miss that Troll Train Gif….its my favorite.
Yours very truly,
Noob Troll David Chase
“or we can go back to the good old days in Ireland where the church didn’t allow ectopic or breech or detached placenta or blood incompatibility, or sepsis, or a dozen other maternal emergencies, to be medically treated and the women would die a horrible, painful death over days or weeks. That was back when the average age at death in western civilization was 35.”
That is a straw man argument, because no one suggests it.
ok, fair enough, but no more a strawman than calling a morphed cell line a fetus for sensationalism
well, you posted the procedure to harvest CD cells but if you want to know where the humanized mice come from? They come from mice farms :)
https://www.creative-biolabs.com/drug-discovery/therapeutics/humanized-immune-checkpoint-mice.htm
stop with the hysterical melodramatics and the transparent little gotcha games
The context of the discussion is a line of cells from a medically necessary procedure in 1973 WHERE THE MOTHER WAS DYING. So take your wide paintbrush elsewhere.
In 1973 an embroyo/fetual detached placenta, or ectopic pregnancy would never have survived. Out of that TRAGIC LOSS there was good created.
That mother didn’t sin by the loss of her pregnancy
The derived cell line wasn’t and isn’t a sin because it was not an intentional act
And any toxicity testing of vaccine ingredients done against that cell line doesn’t make the vaccine a sin
Trying to make the origin of a cell line an issue, or trying to equate that cell line with modern abortions of convenience, in order to deter or scare people from getting medical treatment that could save their lives, is maliciously deceiving people with false virtue-signaling.
Now run to teacher with that.
do you always jump into the deep end without looking?
the subject is a SPECIFIC 1973 incident
when abortions were illegal
of a medically necessary loss of a pregnancy
to save the life of the mother
that led to the development of a cell line
that has saved millions of lives.
AND, that it is misleading, untruthful, and malicious to equate that cell line OR THE DISCUSSION THEREOF, with modern abortions of convenience or implying that discussion of that cell line and it’s orgins is in any way condoning modern convenience abortions.
stop with the hysterical melodramatics and the transparent little gotcha games
Calling you out for your comparing a dying man to a dying FETUS, as BOTH being “willing” cell donors, is hysterical and ‘gotcha’ games?
No, sicko....there is no transparency or ‘gotcha’ about it.
Read the entire thread....several links to research showing aborted FETAL cells connections.
You are in the minority, for trying to distract from this.
From the study...
...This 2017 study was co-authored by four Regeneron scientists: Davor Frieta, Cagan Gurer, Andrew J. Murphy, George D. Yancopoulos.
For this study, human fetal liver obtained from the notorious Advanced Biosciences Resource is used to humanize mice. The humanized mice produce the antibodies used in the mAb cocktail REGEN-COV.....
Keep doubling down.
Anything is possible, but the fact is fetal tissue or DNA has no use in Covid treatments or probably any infectious disease treatment because they don’t have an immune system of their own yet. There would be no antibodies
They would have to be getting their b-cell dna from convalescent blood or plasma.
Also, there is no one type of VI mice. They produce them from manipulated mouse embryos for individualized research purposes for whatever disease they are developing antibodies for.
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