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New superconducting magnet breaks magnetic field strength records, paving the way for fusion energy
Phys.org ^ | 9/8/2021 | David Chandler

Posted on 09/08/2021 1:54:37 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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There are several pics and YouTube videos at the source.

It does look like the days of making fun of the never ending quest for fusion energy are coming to an end, thank the Lord!

1 posted on 09/08/2021 1:54:37 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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Update: the experiment suffered an unanticipated setback when the janitor, Leon McCarthy, thought he would tidy up the workroom and his vacuum cleaner was sucked into the magnet.


2 posted on 09/08/2021 2:01:27 PM PDT by I-ambush (If we make it we’ll all sit back and laugh, but I fear tomorrow I’ll be crying)
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To: LibWhacker
Soon, but in the meantime...


3 posted on 09/08/2021 2:01:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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I always believed magnetism was the key to space travel. If someone could figure out how to displace the magnetic field and attract the craft it could be moved without destroying the propulsion medium. Unfortunately I’m not smart enough to figure something like that out .. maybe someday someone will.


4 posted on 09/08/2021 2:04:32 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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It’s been 30 years since I studied nuclear physics but as I recall the purpose of the high strength magnets are to suspend a ball of superheated plasma within a strong magnetic field at the center of a superconducting toroidal electromagnet, mostly because, you know, it’s superheated and if it touched anything bad stuff would happen. So use magnetic fields to suspend it floating. Cool.

But the energy it took to actually heat the plasma up and power the magnets was so much that it has never been worth it. What has fundamentally changed? Stronger electromagnets = good. Do they require less power?


5 posted on 09/08/2021 2:04:48 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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Any one here with more than my high school physics class, care to explain the scope of the improvement? Are we going from 2 x10^-5 tesla (average earth magnetic field) to .... what?

Is this a little improvement or a huge leap forward? The article seems to position it as a huge leap but I did not see any numbers that I can understand.


6 posted on 09/08/2021 2:10:41 PM PDT by taxcontrol (You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.)
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Cold Fusion is 25 ORDERS of MAGNITUDE better bang for the buck than Controlled Hot Fusion (CHF).
7 posted on 09/08/2021 2:21:07 PM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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Same old song & dance...
Music the same...
Words the same...
Different musicians...

Heard it all at Princeton 56-years ago...


8 posted on 09/08/2021 2:31:57 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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It does look like the days of making fun of the never ending quest for fusion energy are coming to an end, thank the Lord!

Possibly - or maybe not...

*******FUSION ENERGY*******
Just around the corner since 1951!

(...and if it ever DOES become economically feasible, expect the environmentalists to ban it a year later... ;^)

9 posted on 09/08/2021 2:32:11 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike." - John Locke)
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Stronger electromagnets = good. Do they require less power?


Both less power, and denser fields, with superconductivity the heat output is tremendously reduced. With high temperature superconductors, the total power put through them can be higher, which can make them much smaller - an efficiency which feeds back on itself making the whole operation smaller and use less power.

The relationship isn’t linear, it is roughly x^3.

Here’s a cute video on magnetic fields and desktop plasma which might be interesting. Most of it is probably old hat to you, but there are some more recent things included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2QaTyDJDEI


10 posted on 09/08/2021 2:33:29 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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“On Sept. 5, for the first time, a large high-temperature superconducting electromagnet was ramped up to a field strength of *20 tesla*...”


11 posted on 09/08/2021 2:35:40 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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“But the new high-temperature superconductor material, made in the form of a flat, ribbon-like tape, makes it possible to achieve a higher magnetic field in a smaller device, equaling the performance that would be achieved in an apparatus 40 times larger in volume using conventional low-temperature superconducting magnets.”

Or conversely, the apparatus could be less than 1/40th the size, with commensurately less heat to bleed off the field generator, and finer control.


12 posted on 09/08/2021 2:38:41 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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13 posted on 09/08/2021 2:42:17 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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Best part: you can stick it on your refrigerator door to hold long grocery-shopping lists.


14 posted on 09/08/2021 2:57:11 PM PDT by goldbux (No sufficiently rich interpreted language can represent its own semantics. -- Alfred Tarski, 1936)
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Thanks. I am certainly not a physicist, just an electrical engineer but in addition to all the electromagnetic field/wave stuff I did take two courses as an undergrad that inform my knowledge of nuke fusion: Modern Physics and a course on Electric Ceramics (superconductors, piezos, stuff like that). So I am probably just one step above a regular reader of Discover magazine when it comes to being able to design a fusion reactor.

But it’s interesting to me. Very frustrating that 35 years after taking those courses, which made it seem so, so close, we have never got fusion to actually be practical. Always hopeful we’ll get there before I age off of this world. It sure would turn the world upside down if we did.


15 posted on 09/08/2021 2:57:50 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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20 tesla = 10^6 * (2*10^-5) tesla = one million times larger = six orders of magnitude.


16 posted on 09/08/2021 3:01:26 PM PDT by goldbux (No sufficiently rich interpreted language can represent its own semantics. -- Alfred Tarski, 1936)
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“On Sept. 5, for the first time, a large high-temperature superconducting electromagnet was ramped up to a field strength of *20 tesla*...”

A key word here is ‘large’, and another is ‘ramped’. Small superconducting electromagnets have generated a brief field strength of about 45 tesla. This achievement is a sustained - even if not for long - strength of 20. For hot fusion, it looks like what has been needed for decades is a way of generating at least 8-10 tesla.


17 posted on 09/08/2021 3:01:54 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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See the source image

Anonymous artist conception.

18 posted on 09/08/2021 3:30:26 PM PDT by chief lee runamok (Anti Socialist Derelict at Large)
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Shades of Galt’s motor.


19 posted on 09/08/2021 4:16:31 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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> 2 x10^-5 tesla

Well, to 200 Tesla (not the car ;-)
That’s 7 orders of magnitude. That’s hugh.


20 posted on 09/08/2021 5:05:11 PM PDT by glorgau
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