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Afghanistan: Trump's plan vs Biden's plan

Posted on 09/06/2021 5:34:07 PM PDT by nick0786bazpur

Biden is pure evil.

I've been a dedicated TRUMP supporter, but, not a blind follower.

Both TRUMP and BIDEN had their own plans. Both of them (TRUMP & BIDEN) did not gave a damn about what the people (of Afghanistan) wanted.

After TRUMP signed peace deal with TALIBAN, were the people of any AFGHAN province were asked:

1.Whether They accept TRUMP,’s deal with TALIBAN?

2. Whether they want to be independent or be a part of TALIBAN nation?

***Before United States took over Afghanistan, 40%(approx.) of the country was beyond Taliban's control. After United States withdrawl, 100% Taliban control.***


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1 posted on 09/06/2021 5:34:07 PM PDT by nick0786bazpur
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To: nick0786bazpur

Do people in Afghanastan actually consider themselves part of a sovereign state or they part of a tribe?


2 posted on 09/06/2021 5:42:43 PM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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To: nick0786bazpur

I don’t believe President Trump had an actual “withdrawal plan”
He had a plan and the main point of that plan was to call out the Afghan government and force them to stand up.
They ultimately got betrayed by whoever is in charge of the US military now..as did all of our allies.


3 posted on 09/06/2021 5:43:22 PM PDT by Tolk2112
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To: frogjerk

Afghanistan is a very diverse country, culturally and linguistically.

If Liechtenstein can be a sovereign country, why cant every AFGHAN linguistic or cultural group.


4 posted on 09/06/2021 5:53:44 PM PDT by nick0786bazpur (2020: TRUMP or Nothing )
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To: Tolk2112; All
Trump would have maintained the 2,500 US personnel and Bagram AFB on a permanent basis to eliminate a vacuum of bad guys taking over Afghanistan.

Trump would have evacuated all Americans months before drawing down US forces.

Furthermore, Trump's "Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau" was designed to handle medical, diplomatic, and logistical support concerning Americans overseas. This was paused by Anthony Blinken's State Department earlier this year.

5 posted on 09/06/2021 6:01:07 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: nick0786bazpur

Jihad is endless war. The Trump plan was a stop gap that was working, but again, it was still endless. SOME people can’t stomach the alternative - the solution to put an end to jihad. “You can’t always get what you want.”


6 posted on 09/06/2021 6:02:01 PM PDT by conservativeimage (Do not go quietly into that good night. We won't be taken alive. Molon Labe.)
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To: conservativeimage

https://theconversation.com/talibans-religious-ideology-deobandi-islam-has-roots-in-colonial-india-166323


7 posted on 09/06/2021 6:05:28 PM PDT by nick0786bazpur (2020: TRUMP or Nothing )
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To: nick0786bazpur
Trump's plan was a conditional withdrawal plan about which it was stated openly -- on multiple occasions -- that the withdrawal might not happen if the Taliban didn't meet conditions, which included a negotiated settlement with the central government.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/trump-afghan-withdrawal-deal/

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/troop-withdrawals-from-iraq-afghanistan-collide-with-election-politics

Biden explicitly threw all of that out the window in a speech he gave on April 14, where he set a date certain for withdrawal regardless of whether or not any of the conditions set in the Doha Agreement were met. I can't copy it because it is the WP, but Biden felt that a "conditions-based" approach" was a recipe for staying in Afghanistan forever.It's definitely worth a read for those who want to fire back at those making excuses for Biden:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/biden-us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan/2021/04/13/918c3cae-9beb-11eb-8a83-3bc1fa69c2e8_story.html

Point is, don't let anyone tell you that the same result would have happened regardless of who was president. Biden deliberately and openly broke with Trump's approach because he wanted out of Afghanistan completely no matter what.

Of course, as soon as that was announced, morale in Afghan national forces began going down the tubes, and fell off a cliff after we abandoned Bagram.

8 posted on 09/06/2021 6:06:45 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

After TRUMP signed peace deal with TALIBAN, Were the people of any AFGHAN province were asked:

Whether They accept TRUMP,’s deal with TALIBAN?

Whether they want to be independent or be a part of TALIBAN nation?


9 posted on 09/06/2021 6:16:10 PM PDT by nick0786bazpur (2020: TRUMP or Nothing )
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To: nick0786bazpur

Both are self made, the first, from working smart, and working long hours and the other, for being for sale for 50 years, to the highest bidder. The first has good business sense and the other bats 1.000, at choosing the WRONG answer to EVERYTHING.

JMHO.


10 posted on 09/06/2021 6:18:48 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (Ceterum autem censeo Justinius True-dope-us esse delendam)
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To: Cobra64

What “Biden”did was an unconditional surrender, President Trump had a plan and a basic execution of his plan on the books.
There was a plan.

Situations change and plans are of course fluid but what “Biden” just did was an unconditional surrender


11 posted on 09/06/2021 6:19:04 PM PDT by Tolk2112
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To: conservativeimage

Mick Jagger’s lawyer may want to chat to you about royalty payments! //


12 posted on 09/06/2021 6:19:22 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Tolk2112

I totally agree.


13 posted on 09/06/2021 6:45:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore.)
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To: nick0786bazpur

Trump has his faults. I couldn’t stand him before he ran, but just into his announcement I switched from Cruz and never looked back. And the way he aggravated Democrats was worth it alone. They are deranged and work every day to turn America into ‘Amerika’, including denying the obvious. I saw an article about that, “Biden’s National Security Advisor Refuses to Call the Taliban an Enemy of the U.S.”, and you can give that a look at PJ Media. Considering leftists already floated funding the Taliban government obviously they consider our 20 year enemy a friend. Biden’s plan was 1) run, and 2) leave $85 BILLION in weapons behind (along with some Americans). No matter what Trump’s plan was it can’t have been that bad.


14 posted on 09/06/2021 6:45:42 PM PDT by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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To: frogjerk

My guess is they spend every day in fear of not being alive tomorrow, so state or tribe isn’t a real concern.


15 posted on 09/06/2021 6:47:03 PM PDT by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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To: conservativeimage

They don’t just limit it to action with weapons. Hijrah is ‘jihad by immigration’ and Biden is helping with that now.


16 posted on 09/06/2021 6:47:54 PM PDT by ProfessorGoldiloxx
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US Building 8 Cities Inside Military Bases Across America For 50,000 Afghan Evacuees

9/5/2021, 4:30:46 PM · by ransomnote · 22 replies
WashingtonExaminer.com ^ | September 5, 2021 |   Mike Brest for the Washington Examiner.

17 posted on 09/06/2021 6:54:27 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: nick0786bazpur

Did we actually train the Afghan troops? They fled fast. Never used a lick of the “training.”


18 posted on 09/06/2021 7:00:13 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: ProfessorGoldiloxx

Hijrah jihad - exactly right. Has a kind of Fabian Society wolf in sheep’s clothing ring to it doesn’t it? Similar by method, I mean. They’re over a millennia apart. But the same infiltrate, corrupt, then strike hard scheme.


19 posted on 09/06/2021 7:39:05 PM PDT by conservativeimage (Do not go quietly into that good night. We won't be taken alive. Molon Labe.)
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To: ransomnote

Afghan cities built inside military bases in the United States... Will we leave guns and APCs and helicopters and nukes for them here too?


20 posted on 09/06/2021 7:41:52 PM PDT by conservativeimage (Do not go quietly into that good night. We won't be taken alive. Molon Labe.)
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