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After-birth abortion: why should the baby live? (These people are sick!)
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Posted on 09/02/2021 4:41:33 PM PDT by MNDude

Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.

The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus, that is, neither can be considered a ‘person’ in a morally relevant sense.

It is not possible to damage a newborn by preventing her from developing the potentiality to become a person in the morally relevant sense.

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The fetus and the newborn are potential persons Although fetuses and newborns are not persons, they are potential persons because they can develop, thanks to their own biological mechanisms, those properties which will make them ‘persons’ in the sense of ‘subjects of a moral right to life’: that is, the point at which they will be able to make aims and appreciate their own life ... If criteria such as the costs (social, psychological, economic) for the potential parents are good enough reasons for having an abortion even when the fetus is healthy, if the moral status of the newborn is the same as that of the foetus and if neither has any moral value by virtue of being a potential person, then the same reasons which justify abortion should also justify the killing of the potential person when it is at the stage of a newborn.

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To: MNDude

People who would harm a new born baby are the ones that should not be considered a ‘person’ in a morally relevant sense... THEY should be aborted..!


21 posted on 09/02/2021 5:15:09 PM PDT by unread (Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire)
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To: MNDude

Evil.

No other word for it.


22 posted on 09/02/2021 5:26:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.)
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To: MNDude

If it is acceptable to kill a newborn child, is it any wonder that we will abandon our citizens to be murdered by the Taliban?


23 posted on 09/02/2021 5:35:08 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: MNDude

24 posted on 09/02/2021 5:36:40 PM PDT by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: MNDude

Procrastination isn’t a crime.


25 posted on 09/02/2021 5:39:56 PM PDT by blackdog (Sophisticated so public policy is not applicable. )
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To: MNDude

The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus, that is, neither can be considered a ‘person’ in a morally relevant sense.

morally... that word doesn’t mean what YOU think it means


26 posted on 09/02/2021 5:40:52 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: MNDude

Medical ethics. Now that is becoming quite the oxymoron.


27 posted on 09/02/2021 5:42:43 PM PDT by Jean2
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To: stevem

That depends upon whom you are murdering.


28 posted on 09/02/2021 5:43:28 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: MNDude

Hydrophobia is rampant in academia ...


29 posted on 09/02/2021 5:46:06 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LEFTISTS RUIN EVERYTHING !)
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To: gundog

If they want to reduce the population nobody is stopping them from going first. A tall building or bridge is all that’s needed for them to show us how it’s done.


30 posted on 09/02/2021 5:52:12 PM PDT by packagingguy (Kit)
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To: MNDude

Evil.


31 posted on 09/02/2021 5:58:24 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: MNDude

Orwell would be proud of them all.


32 posted on 09/02/2021 6:02:30 PM PDT by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: GraceG
The answer is no.
33 posted on 09/02/2021 6:03:19 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I refuse to be afraid. I refuse to bow. I refuse to take any job I do not wish to. So BUZZ OFF!)
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To: MNDude

These people are sick.


34 posted on 09/02/2021 6:09:31 PM PDT by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: MNDude

In ancient times, you were allowed to kill a child up to the age of two...no questions asked. I vaguely remember this from my history studies....It was rough in ancient days.


35 posted on 09/02/2021 6:12:53 PM PDT by Whatever Works
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To: MNDude

Written by Satan?


36 posted on 09/02/2021 6:14:13 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: MNDude

“We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her. This means that many non-human animals and mentally retarded human individuals are persons, but that all the individuals who are not in the condition of attributing any value to their own existence are not persons.”

And being unable to experience directly, the consciousness of any other living being, how do you determine that it values its “existence?”

You observe it. A bee will defend itself, as will a spider. An amoeba will seek nourishment. We infer — reasonably — that most animals experience pain and recoil from it. It’s the basic way nature affords them the means to protect their existence; relief from and absence of pain are valued.

An unborn baby will most definitely recoil from pain.

Finally, as to “potential persons” not impermissible to kill — virtually every fetus (potential person) will inevitably develop into a “person in the moral sense” described: one exceptionally, profoundly capable of attributing value to its existence. They will develop because some human being (usually the natural parent) enables that development.

It’s according to our nature. We’re not fish that lay eggs and leave them, because they’ll thrive as nature intended, without any nurturing.

Man is by nature a social animal. He requires and therefore values the existence of other human beings. If you chance to find someone who does not value the existence of an unborn baby, you’re not looking very hard.


37 posted on 09/02/2021 6:21:08 PM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: Jean2

Oh yeah. Not even recent. We have had the rants of Prof. Pete Singer here on FR since forever and his whole realm of speciality is supposedly ethics. Satans that is.


38 posted on 09/02/2021 6:21:56 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Buttons12

As long as the debate continues as to what point life begins in the womb...then the issue of taking the life of a baby will never be settled.


39 posted on 09/02/2021 6:23:31 PM PDT by caww ( )
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To: MNDude

Nothing like rationalizing Hitler after the fact. How did society get so sick or is it inherent in some?


40 posted on 09/02/2021 6:26:33 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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