Posted on 08/28/2021 12:39:45 PM PDT by GeorgianaCavendish
I apologize if this has been addressed through a news source, or on the forum earlier.
I am a Navy veteran of Operation Enduring Freedom and I served in two deployments to the Middle East on a ship. I make no claims about my knowledge of the Marines, the army, or the Air Force, or those things outside of what I did as a sailor. But there are some things about Afganstan that are nagging my mind; news reports just aren't making sense.
When I first got out of the Navy, one of the questions that the VA kept asking me about is whether I been around burn pits. Anybody who has served knows that we burn everything, even things that are environmentally hazardous. Many veterans have said that the burn pits will be the equivalent of agent Orange of the Vietnam era. The Navy either melts it, burns it, or throws it in the ocean. Deposing of trash, Noforn, or confidential material is remembered by every young member of the military because the destruction of it is left to NUBs (new underway buddies). No high-level enlisted or officer ever deals with this taking the trash out, but if you were one of those idiots who didn't dispose of it properly, be sure that you were going to get your ass reamed, and possibly masted (NJP'd) because you let confidential material go. It was so important that we had to write at the top and bottom of every paper in Nuke School, Noforn or Confidential. Commanders have stamps upon stamps of the words. Everybody from the bottom to the top knows that they have a duty to make sure that this information doesn't get out to the public or to unsavory sources.
If the order was to abandoned the base in Afganstan, why were things like confidential and secret information, in paper or server form, left behind? EVERYBODY AND I MEAN EVERYBODY KNOWS NOT TO DO THAT.
Why was the base left first, knowingly as part of "the plan", with guns, munitions, planes, etc, still on the ground? On the way back from the last deployment of the USS Enterprise CVN 65, we were throwing file cabinets, desks, and all sorts of things into the ocean, as part of the plan to take apart the Enterprise before decommissioning. This was part of the plan, made years in advance, FROM THE TOP to deal with this.
I know the Bite-me administration is filled with morons, but every person who has served in the military knows how these things go and clearly leaving Afghanistan was not under the typical plan. But the Commanders know. All of them. Civilian military, CIA, Intel, contractors, KNOW this. Even film makers and tv show directors include this aspect of the military in their programs. Why didn't anyone take care of this is EVERYONE knows.
Can anyone (particularly those who have served in OEF or IF, Afganstan) tell me if they have been thinking about this? Or if I'm wrong about my details? Was it such a clusterF--k that it just happened this way?
It’s not like senators can just sneak it through there chauffeurs or side pieces.
Or General Eisenhower retaining Gen. Lloyd Fredendall as commander of the US II Corps following the disaster at Kasserine Pass instead of replacing him with George Patton.
IF you can consider that Joe Biden is a useful idiot, and IF you can believe that when Obama said in November 2020 he’d love it if he could just talk into someone’s ear and tell them what to do, and he wouldn’t have to go out in public, and IF you believe that Obama, and Susan Rice and ValJar and whomever they consult with have it in their hearts to destroy America as the Judeo-Christian formed nation and make it a puppet state of the Global elites, and IF you can believe that Obama really is a narcissistic atheist/Islam lover (and at the root is a Satan-led mentality to destroy all things Christian) - then it is very easy to believe that this is a clear but evil and revolting and disgusting example of these evil people’s extent they’ll go.
They wanted that stuff in the hands of the Taliban.
H.R. 4398 Reducing Exposure to Burn Pits Act Reducing Exposure to Burn Pits Act
H.R. 2436 Veterans Burn Pits Exposure Recognition Act of 2021
H.R. 2372 Presumptive Benefits for War Fighters Exposed to Burn Pits and Other Toxins Act of 2021
S. 952 Presumptive Benefits for War Fighters Exposed to Burn Pits and Other Toxins Act of 2021
Lincoln knew what to do about incompetent generals
OK
Now that we are down to the final nitty gritty, it is time to ask the final question.
Since it is obvious that we are in the same position as France was, weeks or months before Hitler marched in, now that we have our own version of Vichy France staring us in the face, what are we going to do about it? It must be done before we have a modern day version of Hitler marching in.
We will not get a telegram (see how old I am?) giving us a week’s notice.
Guess who benefits from that?
Or perhaps China is running Biden. Given Hunter's activities, it is very likely that Biden is being blackmailed.
You know, moron, you piss about it when Q talk goes on in the main forum (Or anywhere else) but you're the fekkin' idiot who brings it up first a lot. GFY.
Consider our enemies( inside and out) hate America, hate God and hate you. Consider they need a slave state. It all makes sense then.
As I see it, the US had a fiction to maintain. The fiction was that the Afghan National Army would use all that equipment to ward off the Taliban. If we had taken - or destroyed - everything we’d be creditably accused of abandoning an ally.
The same thing would have happened had Trump been president. The ANA still would have abandoned a lot of material to the Taliban.
But the amount would have been much less, as Trump would not have let the situation spin out of control like Biden did.
I have no personal insight into military affairs, but I work in a high-stakes team-based environment where outcomes are dependent on effective leadership, so allow me to speculate.
There is no effective Commander in Chief. As a result, the buck, to coin a phrase, doesn’t stop anywhere.
When this is the case, minor rivalries can quickly degenerate of wars of all against all as people strive for advantage and lack a supreme judge to sort out the rivals.
The orders for Afghanistan have been weak and confusing, but that’s been true for a long time. What’s new is that field commanders can’t get straight answers from up the chain of command, as careerist two and three stars, not knowing who will be rating them tomorrow, pull back into their shells and give orders least likely to make them look bad.
Of course, when the fecal material hits the rotating blade, things that you thought were the safest option become the least-best in the blink of an eye.
Some guy, somewhere, had an idea that Bagram couldn’t be held once forces fell below a certain level. He pushed it up the chain, and the answer was “whatever”. So we di di mao’ed out of Bagram in the dark of night, like no one would notice. Oops.
Another guy, somewhere, had been told his job depended on believing that Kabul could hold for months, when all that was needed to get everyone out was six weeks - so, he believed it, or pretended he did. Oops.
Then, when things were changing rapidly and we needed Milley and the others to go to the CIC and get revised plans, they went - and found him fussing over what to put on his oatmeal before his nap. Oops.
Victory has a thousand fathers. Defeat is an orphan.
There’s nothing new under the sun.
Well, peddyfile, I suppose you can show an example of that.
I think you spent too much time on Epstein's island and may have
missed a few things, been a little out of touch so to speak.
So for the moment, we'll just assume that you have no idea what your talking about.
Did you see all the cash left behind?.... probably millions!
The mission has been successful, sadly the plan is NOT in the USA’s best interests. The Demonrats are using our military to make payments on their CCP debt.
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The sudden withdrawal of troops left the ANA overwhelmed. Perhaps this is exactly as intended. Inexcusable either way.
How could the Afghan military use the military equipment that we left behind when we departed Bagram without notifying them or the Afghan government? We abandoned Bagram by turning off the electricity and leaving in the night. First came looters. Next the Taliban.
It’s because this was more of a delivery service than a military operation.
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