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Ron Paul: Kabul has fallen - but don't blame Biden
Mises.org ^ | Aug 16 | Former Rep. Ron Paul

Posted on 08/16/2021 1:39:59 PM PDT by RandFan

This weekend the US experienced another “Saigon moment,” this time in Afghanistan. After a 20 year war that drained trillions from Americans’ pockets, the capital of Afghanistan fell without a fight. The corrupt Potemkin regime that the US had been propping up for two decades and the Afghan military that we had spent billions training just melted away.

The rush is on now to find somebody to blame for the chaos in Afghanistan. Many of the “experts” doing the finger-pointing are the ones most to blame. Politicians and pundits who played cheerleader for this war for two decades are now rushing to blame President Biden for finally getting the US out. Where were they when succeeding presidents continued to add troops and expand the mission in Afghanistan?

The US war on Afghanistan was not lost yesterday in Kabul. It was lost the moment it shifted from a limited mission to apprehend those who planned the attack on 9/11 to an exercise in regime change and nation-building.

Immediately after the 9/11 attacks I proposed that we issue letters of marque and reprisal to bring those responsible to justice. But such a limited and targeted response to the attack was ridiculed at the time. How could the US war machine and all its allied profiteers make their billions if we didn’t put on a massive war?

So who is to blame for the scenes from Afghanistan this weekend? There is plenty to go around.

Congress has kicked the can down the road for 20 years, continuing to fund the Afghan war long after even they understood that there was no point to the US occupation. There were some efforts by some Members to end the war, but most, on a bipartisan basis, just went along to get along.

The generals and other high-ranking military officers lied to their commander-in-chief and to the American people for years about progress in Afghanistan. The same is true for the US intelligence agencies. Unless there is a major purge of those who lied and misled, we can count on these disasters to continue until the last US dollar goes up in smoke.

The military industrial complex spent 20 years on the gravy train with the Afghanistan war. They built missiles, they built tanks, they built aircraft and helicopters. They hired armies of lobbyists and think tank writers to continue the lie that was making them rich. They wrapped their graft up in the American flag, but they are the opposite of patriots.

The mainstream media has uncritically repeated the propaganda of the military and political leaders about Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and all the other pointless US interventions. Many of these outlets are owned by defense industry-connected companies. The corruption is deep.

American citizens must also share some blame. Until more Americans rise up and demand a pro-America, non-interventionist foreign policy they will continue to get fleeced by war profiteers.

Political control in Afghanistan has returned to the people who fought against those they viewed as occupiers and for what they viewed as their homeland. That is the real lesson, but don’t expect it to be understood in Washington. War is too profitable and political leaders are too cowardly to go against the tide. But the lesson is clear for anyone wishing to see it: the US global military empire is a grave threat to the United States and its future.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: donblack; fossil; goodoldron; paul; paultard; paultardation; paultards; randsconcerntrolls; ronpaul; ronpaulfanboys; rupaul
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Check the Cheney’s Bank Accounts.


21 posted on 08/16/2021 1:49:42 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: plain talk

I think he blames Congress because they fund everything and hold the purse strings.


22 posted on 08/16/2021 1:49:45 PM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

Biden was a senator for seven years and the VP for eight during this war. He can take some blame.

As for the withdrawal, he owns it 100%.


23 posted on 08/16/2021 1:49:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who shot Ashli Babbitt?)
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To: RandFan

Sorry, Dr. Paul, but I’m BLAMING BIDEN. Yeah, there’s lots of blame to go around, but let’s blame Biden. He’s a failed President at this point. It’s all Biden’s fault.


24 posted on 08/16/2021 1:49:59 PM PDT by cdcdawg (Blame Biden)
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To: RandFan

I agree, but I also blame Biden for how he created the tragic fiasco we’re witnessing.


25 posted on 08/16/2021 1:51:03 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: RandFan

Ron Paul predicted almost chapter and verse what would happen when America invaded Iraq and expanded the limited mission in Afghanistan. Sadly he was ignored at the time. Ron Paul is an American Cassandra.

It is particularly annoying to listen to Lynn Cheney try to blame Trump for this fiasco. Her father Dick Cheney was the prime mover of Bush’s neo con flawed foreign policy. His policies resulted in America becoming debilitated in two quagmires and the coming to power of the vile Obama and is cabal.


26 posted on 08/16/2021 1:51:47 PM PDT by allendale
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To: TigersEye

Good point.


27 posted on 08/16/2021 1:51:52 PM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

I blame Bush.
From day 1 Afghanistan should have been a punitive expedition.
We go in, kill everybody remotely related to Al Qaeda that we can get our hands on, along with anyone who gets in our way, stack their heads in the public square in Kandahar, then leave.
But, no, we had to nation-build - with tribal savages no less.


28 posted on 08/16/2021 1:52:01 PM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: RandFan

It’s hard to disagree with Paul’s main points, but I’m still going to blame Biden for being a dementia-addled moron who had no idea in hell what was coming.


29 posted on 08/16/2021 1:53:33 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: RandFan

I respect Ron Paul and agree with much of what he says about the entire Afghanistan debacle (starting with GW Bush), but I’ll go ahead and blame Biden. It was possible to draw down forces in Afghanistan without turning it into a rout and turning the country over to the Taliban. Biden chose not to make that happen. He deserves every ounce of the blame for the lives that will be lost and for the consequences of making America look like a weak betrayer of its friends.


30 posted on 08/16/2021 1:54:40 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: RandFan

President Trump let the Taliban know if they so much as touched a US person or US affiliate in the wrong way, they would pay with hell fire raining down on them. The Taliban knew he meant business so they stood down. They weren’t going to mess with Afghanistan while Trump was President.

In 2020, there was not one, NOT ONE, firefight involving Taliban in Afghanistan.

And that is entirely to the credit of President Trump.


31 posted on 08/16/2021 1:55:24 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: RandFan

In a brave show of solidarity with the people in Kabul, Joe Biden is getting on a helicopter and running off to Camp David.


32 posted on 08/16/2021 1:57:19 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: RandFan

People on our side are quick to give the Leftist establishment cover. Paul will get to see his name in the news now, as the media shouts “See, there is a Republican that supports Biden!”


33 posted on 08/16/2021 1:57:34 PM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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To: Little Ray
But, no, we had to nation-build - with tribal savages no less.

There is no way to build Afghanistan into a functional nation without also building Pakistan into a functional nation - Pakistan has undermined our efforts in Afghanistan since Day One, and has done it with our money.

We can't remake the entire world or lift multiple nations out of savagery. Bush was an idiot.
34 posted on 08/16/2021 1:57:57 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: RandFan

Somebody had to get us out of this mess, sounds familiar; but Joe, of course, was the wrong guy to run the operation. I get it, Rand, we had no business being there etc., etc. and so on...But, unfortunately Joe was the guy who was tasked with draining the Afghan swamp; and he blew it. No use, while we are up to our ears in crocs, in pontificating . I agree that Rand sometimes has a poor sense of timing; just ask his neighbors.,


35 posted on 08/16/2021 1:58:10 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground - Mencken)
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To: RandFan
1) Members of Congress - Both sides.

Ron Paul Texas's 14th congressional district from 1997 to 2013
36 posted on 08/16/2021 1:58:15 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: usafa92
the reason this is all falling to crap is because biden is no Trump. President Trump didn't take crap from anyone-

https://gab.com/PatriotsDotWin

37 posted on 08/16/2021 1:59:17 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: PerConPat

Ron, not Rand.


38 posted on 08/16/2021 1:59:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: All

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Full Blown Idiot.

The Swamp Motto is - don’t blame Biden.

Mighty convenient.

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39 posted on 08/16/2021 1:59:49 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano (‘’)
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To: RandFan
First blame should go to the Muslim culture in the Middle East that thought it'd be a good idea to attack us on Sep 11.

Talking about the war with Afghanistan without talking about the "death to America" cult is like talking about the war in Japan without talking about Pearl Harbor.

40 posted on 08/16/2021 2:01:03 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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