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Pratt & Whitney Outlines Vision for Renewing the B-52
Air Force Magazine ^ | 5 Aug 2021

Posted on 08/06/2021 9:04:22 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

The Air Force has set an ambitious goal for the B-52 Stratofortress: Update the aircraft for the modern battlefield so the legendary bomber can continue flying combat missions at least 100 years after its first flight.

Re-engining the venerable B-52 Stratofortress could keep the legendary bomber flying into the 2060s, and possibly beyond. New engines, such as Pratt & Whitney's PW800 commercial engine, promise greater reliability, fuel efficiency, and power.

Today’s B-52 is a lot like the one Air Force Maj. Gen. Andrew J. Gebara, the director of strategic plans at the Air Force Global Strike Command, piloted early in his career. But once new engines are on board it will be “a very different B-52 than what I flew as a lieutenant.”

(Excerpt) Read more at airforcemag.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: b52
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A 100-year-old airframe!

Holy Crap!!!

With some old cars, it was jack up the air cleaner and replace the rest?

1 posted on 08/06/2021 9:04:22 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Why don’t they just build some new ones?............


2 posted on 08/06/2021 9:05:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger
Because The Pentagon is cost conscious. Everyone knows that!
3 posted on 08/06/2021 9:07:26 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Be kind to each other, unless the other guy is a dumbass.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

This is assuming there will be a USA in 2060, or at least a USA worth fighting for.


4 posted on 08/06/2021 9:09:31 AM PDT by Mogger
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Anyone who has read a lot of Dale Brown novels knows this has already been done. ;o)~


5 posted on 08/06/2021 9:11:47 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life :o)
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To: Red Badger

Look at what happened to the F-35: Late, massively overbudget, and with questions about its effectiveness. Politicians divvied it up to make sure that every district or state got part of the contract.

No translate that to something like a B-52 replacement!

That is why the BUF is still in service after 66 years. It’s here. It works. It’s paid for.


6 posted on 08/06/2021 9:16:01 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Interesting. By the specs available online, the newer engines are a little smaller in both diameter and length. They are also significantly lighter. They do give up a little max thrust, but the source I read was unclear on how long the existing engines could maintain max thrust (takeoff). Then again, putting a little less stress on an old airframe is probably a good idea. ;-)
7 posted on 08/06/2021 9:16:09 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Biden/Harris - illegitimate and everyone knows it.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

They make engines, not planes.


8 posted on 08/06/2021 9:17:50 AM PDT by McGruff (PRES. BIDEN: You're not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations.)
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To: Red Badger

Sometime back in the ‘90s, there was an airshow at Andrews AFB, and they had a B-52 on display. Its bomb bays were open, and as I walked underneath I looked up and saw motors with aluminum name plates and a crinkled black finish and bundles of wires with cloth covering. I guess it all worked fine, but it was definitely from the ‘50s.


9 posted on 08/06/2021 9:17:54 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Those airframes have got to be fatigued...


10 posted on 08/06/2021 9:21:14 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit..)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

This reads like a PW ad...


11 posted on 08/06/2021 9:26:28 AM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

—”less stress on an old airframe is probably a good idea. “

A neighbor keeps his older cars in a tent purged with dry nitrogen.
I have seen some old convertibles that look great, but the doors are stuck because the frame is flexed.


12 posted on 08/06/2021 9:27:04 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Little Ray

How do BUF airframes manage to hold up for so long?


13 posted on 08/06/2021 9:27:46 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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To: Demiurge2

—”This reads like a PW ad...”

I suspect it is in fact, an advert for P&W?

Not bad, still a fun read and discussion?


14 posted on 08/06/2021 9:29:55 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: carriage_hill

B-52’s don’t actually fly that much. Take any airliner that’s been in service for a few years and compare flight logs with any of the remaining BUFF’s.

That said, I was reading an analysis piece on potential modifications to the B-52 fleet just last year. They said that (another) re-engining probably would not happen. My guess is that somebody in the USAF will suddenly start totaling the numbers and comparing with other budget priorities and then they’ll reconsider.


15 posted on 08/06/2021 9:34:07 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: BiglyCommentary; Little Ray

How do BUF airframes manage to hold up for so long?

Because they were built like tanks!


16 posted on 08/06/2021 9:36:58 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

In the fwiw department, I’m older than the BUFF (deployment date).

There is a high probability that that wonderful big ugly fat fu@k** plane will outlive me.

5.56mm


17 posted on 08/06/2021 9:37:29 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: Little Ray

Not redesigned, just built new....................


18 posted on 08/06/2021 9:39:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Artemis Webb

“Because The Pentagon is cost conscious.”

They are because the socialists keep cutting their defense budget.

“President Biden’s defense budget request is wholly inadequate — it’s nowhere near enough to give our service members the resources, equipment and training they need,” Senate Armed Services Committee ranking member Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., and his House counterpart, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., said in a statement. “It’s disingenuous to call this request an increase because it doesn’t even keep up with inflation — it’s a cut.”

The $715 billion Pentagon request for fiscal 2022 sent to Congress represents an $11 billion increase and trails the rate of inflation, and procurement funding, the purchasing accounts used to buy new equipment, would fall nearly 6 percent.

The budget is giving out raises at 2.7% to military and civilian employees, but lacks the fund so our military trails the improvement to stay up with the world.

You’re right. The Pentagon is cost conscious...in self defense.

wy69


19 posted on 08/06/2021 9:40:00 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: carriage_hill

—”Those airframes have got to be fatigued...”

AF lab investigating microscopic crack formations, metal fatigue

“Our team is using a novel methodology in SEM to quantify, non-destructively, the cracking mechanisms during early stages of fatigue. The information from these characterizations can help reduce sustainment costs and improve fleet readiness, without compromising safety,”
https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/933237/af-lab-investigating-microscopic-crack-formations-metal-fatigue/

More here:
“The design life goal of this modified wing and body structure was 12,000 flight hours, and it was fatigue tested to 72,000 cyclic test hours or six lifetimes during the 1960s. “

https://www.nap.edu/read/5917/chapter/6#92

That must be some vacuum chamber to contain a B-52 for that SEM?


20 posted on 08/06/2021 9:43:44 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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