Posted on 07/30/2021 5:57:50 AM PDT by ransomnote
>>> In other words, they are making it up.
That’s the best way to say it!
So you take a PCR test and it comes back positive. That means you have the flu.
Is it Covid-19 or the good old fashion flu? Can’t tell without further genome testing.
OK, please do that and tell me if it’s covid, what variant it is?
Sorry Hal. I can’t do that. The CDC says you don’t need to know.
So, how are they determining if the new wave of COVID is the Delta variant and not the original strain? Is it possible they know the vaccines are worthless and are using the Delta variant as an excuse to cover their collective asses?
Calm down, Karen. The full genome sequence of the virus or any variant has never been performed.
It means OBEY. Obey without question.
I am in a hotspot with rising cases
Let’s take 100 random positive results and send them for surveillance.
Out of the 100 samples determine how many are Delta vs. Less transmissible
Let’s say the proportion is 80/20. The dominant strain is Delta. It is not the only strain circulating, but is the one people are most likely to be infected with.
emailed the CDC to ask them how they are verifying what variant is dominant. This was their answer. Thoughts?
(In case you missed it the first 2 times)
I’m still waiting to hear HOW they THINK people get the virus. They did all the babbling early on about tracking and tracing etc., but I never did hear just what they found. Hand sanitizer seems to be a thing of the past so apparently touching wasn’t transmitting it. Have people been hugging/smooching strangers in stores or on the street? I know that’s a dumb question but that’s what happens to the brain when you hear this tripe every hour..
I went to a jewelry store yesterday to get a watch battery and as the employee unlocked the door to let me in, I remembered to grab a mask out of my purse. He said, “have you been vaccinated?” I told him NO and he said, “You don’t need to wear that. It’s for your own protection.”
I guess meaning he had the shot but possibly I could catch something from him? AS IF those masks have any purpose other than making ONE OBEY the government!
I think we all understand that concept. The question for the CDC is where is the data, and how much do they have.
If we are going to "believe the science" then there should be data showing the very test results you are proposing are necessary to determine which COIVD variant is dominant in an area. So lets see the data.
Presumably the CDC is running thousands of full virus sequences as a part of their surveillance work. There is no reason they can't publish that data in real time as they perform the tests. Just a zip code and the genomic data they found for the sample.
The original author suspects that there is no such body of test data.
Translation: they’re clueless.
Who told you that nonsense? Of course it has. We’ve had the entire genetic sequence since January 2020. And we’ve sequenced samples from around the country many, many times since then. It’s how the April 2020 variant was identified, and how surveillance recognized when the Brazil, UK, South Africa, and India variants each arrived in the US. And recognized the California variants, with some similar mutations.
A virus with a high Rt, as the CDC claims for the Delta variant, requires non-medical interventions which have more of an effect on the R factor than those used against a virus with a lower Rt. That is because the effect of the mask is to reduce the R value. A perfect mask reduces the R value by 100 percent, a real mask by some factor much less than that.
If a mask reduces your risk of catching an airborne virus by 20 percent, which is about what is expected of a typical medical style mask, it has little effect on an outbreak of a highly contagious variant.
They basically do the same thing with influenza.
Sample thousands of positive tests from various regions of the USA, then extrapolate the national percentage.
As far as I know, your local physician does not have the test equipment necessary to tell you exactly what kind of influenza you have.
That's definitely not the case. There are plenty of people who appear to have extremely limited understanding of how any of this works. The problem is they ask questions phrased as if what's being said is stupid and nonsensical when it's actually their own lack of understanding that's responsible for things not making sense to them. But they aren't self-aware enough to grasp that.
"The question for the CDC is where is the data, and how much do they have."
Totally fair question. I'd also like the CDC to do a much better job of presenting their raw data, particularly data that drives policy and guidance. Their recent masking guidance for vaccinated persons appears to be based on a single study with poor controls. Maybe it's based on more, but I can't see any evidence of that. Seems like ridiculous guidance if that's all it's based on.
"Presumably the CDC is running thousands of full virus sequences as a part of their surveillance work. There is no reason they can't publish that data in real time as they perform the tests. Just a zip code and the genomic data they found for the sample."
They do present quite a bit of information on their genomic surveillance pages, but I agree it would be nice to see more of the raw underlying data published.
Then how do they know the “Delta” variant is causing so many issues?
Are they doing intense and expensive follow up testing to determine this?
Then how do they know the “Delta” variant is causing so many issues?
Are they doing intense and expensive follow up testing to determine this?
Whole genome sequencing (WGS) described by CDC does not establish the genome sequence of the "delta variant" is novel from COVID-19.
There is no evidence that the delta variant is somehow distinct from anything else on GISAID. The fact that we are now looking for a thing/variant doesn’t mean that it is a thing/variant because we are looking at fragments of a strand of genetic material and the fact is that we can choose any fragment in the genome sequence and call it a thing/variant.
For example, I could come up with "omega variant" tomorrow and I could say I’m looking for this sub-strand of either DNA or mRNA, or even a protein, and I could run around the world saying “fear the omega variant.”
The problem is because of the nature of the way in which we currently sequence genomes, which is actually a compositing process – it’s what we can call in mathematics an interleaving – we don’t have any point of reference to actually to know whether or not the thing we’re looking at is in fact distinct from either clinical or even genomic sense.
And so we’re trapped in a world where unfortunately if you go and look at the papers that isolated the delta variant and actually asked the question is the delta variant anything other than a selection of a sequence in a systematic shift of an already disclosed other sequence, the answer is it’s just an alteration and when you start and stop what you call the reading frame. There is no evidence of any novel anything.
In our county/medical center/testing site, they have absolutely no idea what variant that a positive PCR test brings back. Somehow, some samples are sent to the state level and the state reports something somewhere.
Summary: it’s a total CLUSTER-you-know-what
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