Posted on 07/17/2021 8:10:06 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
RE: Even if it does which is not proven yet it has a long way to go to beat monoclonal antibody therapy and steroids
1) You do have to check in to a Doctor to get Regeneron, you can’t treat yourself with it ( it is an intraveneously injected drug ).
2) This should be STANDARD treatment for every Covid positive patient, i.e., they should not have to ask for it. And it should be OUTPATIENT as well. If me or my family had Covid and I visited a Doctor, it should be the first drug provided for us.
3) Regarding decadron, do you need a prescription for it? If not, do you have to SPECIFICALLY Ask your doctor to prescibe it, or will doctors know?
Bkmk
RE: it may reduce viral load in respiratory secretions but it made no clinical difference according to this study.
The study also states thusly: Further exploration of the factors involved in the oral bioavailability of ivermectin are also warranted.
Therefore, the right POLICY by the FDA or WHO would be to allow doctors anywhere to work with patients under INFORMED CONSENT (e.g, showing them studies like this one ). Not ban the drug and threaten doctors with delicensing if they choose to prescribe it.
This is especially important in places where Monoclonal Antibodies are not available.
“.6 mg/kg/day for 5 days”
that’s only slightly higher than the Zelenko protocol at 0.4-0.5mg/kg/day for 5-7 days
monoclonal antibody therapy is only outpatient therapy at this time. Once you are sick enough to meet hospitalization criteria it is no longer an option. I agree it should be the first therapy offered and in many places it is.
Decadron also requires a prescription but should be easily available and is used inpatient and outpatient. Doctors should know to prescribe it but it never hurts to ask. I suppose a lot rides on how much your doctor treats covid but monoclonal antibodies and steroids are first line outpatient therapy for anyone symptomatic with risk factors. As far as I know the monoclonal antibodies are still available at no cost to the patient.
I agree only large scale trials will settle the ivermectin question and it may be a while til we have those. In their world countries where monoclonal anti body therapy is not available they have nothing to lose by trying. I hope we are not a third world country yet…despite some politicians efforts to make us one and the focus here as far as Im concerned should be to make monoclonal ab therapy available to all who qualify. If convincing evidence comes out for something else that would change the picture obviously but for. now we go with the best we have. Treatment has evolved considerably i. the last year and I suspect 5 years from now will look quite different from what we are doing today.
Apparently, the Lancet got caught lying earlier and quietly retracted their ‘piece’ after it had done it’s job. So now, the Lancet is not much better than CNN or New York Times. They lie.
I got mine in horse paste. Started I-Mask protocol for outpatient as soon as lost sense of smell while having other hallmark symptoms. But sense of smell lost was my confirmation symptom. Without having a time delay by waiting for a doctor I started it on my own. Felt much better within 24 hrs, and within 48 even moreso.
Not supposed to wait until hospitalized. Supposed to take it as soon as a positive test or symptoms
IVM has always been strongest as a prophylactic, and you address 'day 7 and day-30', when IVM usually doesn't have a day-7, let alone day-30.
“I agree only large scale trials will settle the ivermectin question and it may be a while til we have those”
No amount of evidence will satisfy you.
that’s day 7 and 30 of recovery not treatment
If you gain Natural Immunity by taking IVM at onset of symptoms and 'surviving', there's little chance of day-7 or day-30. What remains is the comfort of knowing you have natural immunity and no reason to take a 'jab'.
And our grandkids wouldn't be stuck with the bill for our stupidity paying for our pandemic 'vaccine', aka, experimental genetic treatment. Furthermore, previous IVM studies presented on FR have already show IVM is least effective at end stages of the disease. That's the ONE place Remdesivir is useful, and monoclonal therapy with it's exorbitant cost is appropriate.
SnF - that is the money quote. (Unless, of course, you were more interested in continuing the propaganda than talking about the truth and saving lives.)
monoclonal therapy is not useful in end stages of disease. You have it all figured out so carry on. No one will confuse you with facts
That was my take as well.
Thanks. How does one go about finding a doctor and infusion center for MABs in advance of getting sick?
I asked my GP and my immunologist and they both shot me down. They basically said “wait until you get sick and we’ll take care of you then.” That did not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
IVM 6 mg ranurated tablets were used in all cases at a dose of 600 µg/kg/day based on baseline weight rounding to the lower full (6 mg) and half (3 mg) dose. The regimen of 600 µg/kg for 5 days was selected based on the in-vitro data suggesting the need for higher doses than for current indications of IVM, the available data on the safety of this dose in regimens of up to 3 days (either in fast or fed state) and the available information on the PK of IVM, predicting the lack of significant accumulation of IVM after 5 daily doses.600 µg/kg/day is about triple the dose recommended in other papers.
The Italian RC trial COVidIVERmectin: Ivermectin for Treatment of Covid-19 was going to test ivermectin 600 μg/kg daily for 5 consecutive days + placebo and ivermectin 1200 μg/kg daily at empty stomach with water for 5 consecutive days. Recruitment was terminated because disease incidence has dramatically dropped and there is lack of eligible patients. The study ended June 23, 2021. It isn't clear if the study was completed with the enrolled patients or if it was aborted before completion.
According to UC Health the out-of-pocket cost for infusion fees is between $250-300. The Zelenko protocol, using HCQ + zinc + AZPak is much, much less expensive.
But you’re correct, I presumed monoclonal therapy was given at second stage of CoVID, which you seem to be saying is ineffective at that point. Does this mean you have a treatment that would void the conditions necessary for a EUA for CoVID genetic treatment, aka, ‘the jab’?
No. The available treatments and vaccines work hand in hand. None are 100%. Ending the pandemic will take a multifactorial approach including vaccines and treatments. One does not negate the need for the other
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