North Korea Has Collapsed: The Headline You Don’t Want To Ever See

[DIRTYSECRET]

What is left to say at this point when it comes to that “Hermit Kingdom” everyone loves to hate? North Korea, or also known as the so-called Democratic People’s Republic, is the ultimate Pandora’s Box and every president’s worst nightmare: A-bombs, chemical toxins, biological weapons, and missiles to lob them all over the world—including now at the continental United States. And Pyongyang knows how to get the news cycle to turn its way—thanks to making Northeast Asia shake with nuclear weapons tests.

[Olog-hai]

When such things are in Marxist literature (as I repeatedly demonstrated), it is impossible that it could not. Of course it’s Marxist.

You can’t be thinking that Hsi Chin-p’ing is steering the PRC towards becoming something like conservatives want the USA to be now, could you??

[amnestynone]

None of these countries are being steered to what conservatives want. But, a communist country does not allow or encourage entrepreneurship and accumulating wealth accept in corruption involving themselves. when a country allows private companies to operate it is not a communist country. They may allow it when they are transitioning to communism, but china is not transitioning to communism it is plainly transitioning away from it. That is clear and obvious. They may be in denial. But, China does not fit any communist country definition by allowing what is being allowed.

Another point is that gradual theory does not work at moving any society closer to Communism. They need to have control of an absolute nature. That may not be what the original communists stated. But, it is obvious that any society moving in the Fabian direction will collapse before it gets to communism and they know that. This is just another example of how things and original intent changes. What the original communist theorists say was wrong and the people who run china now know that. So it is useless to see what past Marxists have said to grasp what is going on.

[Sirius Lee]

Not with the sock puppet at the helm.

Correct. The jao xiden administration is not even capable of dealing with a raccoon tipping over a garbage can. And the rest of the world knows is.

[Olog-hai]

More proof by assertion.

Communist and Marxist literature instead points to the “proletarian revolution” making the state into whatever the oligarchs want it to be, particularly with the veneer of “democracy”;. This is in line with the goal of “increas(ing) the productive forces as rapidly as possible” per the Manifesto (why wouldn’t encouraging state-promoted entrepreneurship be part of that?), which also stipulates “wrest(ing) by degree all capital from the bourgeoisie” (take note: not all at once) and that they see a transition to the abolition of private property happening “only when the means of production are available in significant quantity”.

And you’re also speaking of communism as something that actually can exist, or did exist at one time. I told you repeatedly that there is no definition for it. The only definitions you get come from the Principles of Communism (“the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat”) and the Manifesto (“an association in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all”), both ambiguous statements devoid of real meaning. The real goals of Marxists are to abolish the family, private property, religion and national borders and place all under an all-powerful socialistic oligarchy.

[Olog-hai]

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Do you ever read anything the communists have written, even from the Manifesto (above from chapter 2)? because your assertions are completely at odds with what they say.

[amnestynone]

So you're seriously saying that decommunizing is part of the communist plot. Ridiculous. After 40 years of decommunizing they are not going to recommunize. The communists are the old social and economic order. China is decomuminizing and has gone past the point of no return. What is happening in China is just slow motion as compared to Russia. I guess you think Gorbachev and Yeltsin are all a part of a communist plot. This is so ridiculous. China is going its own way and is still transitioning. But, it is no longer communist. All of these old quotes from communist sources are outdated wrong and irrelevant.

[Olog-hai]

You’re putting words in my mouth now. This is laughable. How does “de-communization” happen when its reverse is not possible to happen?? You admitted yourself that communism has no definition.

What is happening in China has no parallel to what happened in Soviet Russia. Red China is acting in an expansionist manner, and the USA is helping it; the USSR attempted to expand and the USA countered it.

Hsi Chin-p’ing just handed out medals yesterday at a centenary celebration for the CCP, and called for a stronger adherence to Marxism. I explained to you in several posts what Marxism is about.

You’re just here to troll. Have a nice day.