Posted on 06/25/2021 4:31:09 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Almost everybody has a Woke Breaking Point. A point of Peak Woke. Or, at least, they should.
There should always be a line that, once crossed, signifies to someone that the ostensibly good or noble thing they currently support has soured or, as the case may be, gone completely bad. We all know the history of the twentieth century (or, so I delude myself into believing). Certain features of the Woke ideology, even if only on its extreme fringe, show shocking potential for being a totalitarian nightmare unfolding before our eyes, especially because so many good and decent people so vigorously (and viciously) support it all of a sudden. Even the rapidity with which it is spreading is disorienting, and thus alarming.
I realized the importance of establishing a “Woke breaking point” the other night while discussing the bizarre defenses of our current era with a brilliant friend. We were talking about the people in our lives who have hit their Woke breaking points and those who haven’t. It struck me that many of the people in my life who remain sympathetic or outright denialist about the excesses of the Woke (Critical Social Justice) movement haven’t grappled with the possibility that it isn’t quite the noble and necessary cause that it sells itself to be.
What I realized is how very helpful it is for people, rather than becoming confrontational, to encourage their Woke-sympathetic friends to start identifying and naming what their non-negotiable lines will be. People’s lines will—and should—vary, but as things get increasingly extreme, they will also get crossed more and more certainly. Knowing the line has been crossed, however, takes knowing there is a line and where it is.
The question to pose, then, is simple enough: What would it take for you to say that the Woke movement has gone too far?
Why should you ask this? Two reasons, given how out of hand the movement already is. First, people should be asked to grapple with the idea that things could possibly go too far, or even that they already have. Second, in circumstances like these threaten to be, everyone should stake out at least some tentative line that their current principles won’t let them cross, and they need to do this before they’ve already crossed it and been forced to defend that which they currently find indefensible.
This simple act of getting people to commit to their principles before they let them slip is of tremendous importance and use because of how we process our moral reasoning. We do this by post-hoc rationalization, meaning that we lawyer ourselves into believing we acted morally after act, which often means after we’ve already crossed the line. Drawing a clear line ahead of time, especially in a social context where accountability weighs in, makes it that much easier to see the line, bright and clear, and that much harder to cross first and rationalize after.
To get real about this, you shouldn’t expect this conversation to go well. It might, of course, depending on the relationship, but it’s very likely to be received defensively or with an assumption that you’ve lost your mind. So here’s some advice: Don’t expect it to go well. Don’t expect them to come around. Don’t expect them to take you seriously. Just get the question out there where they have to think about it.
You also don’t have to push the issue, and you shouldn’t. If you meet resistance, it’s best not to argue or damage your relationship, and you should know you won’t have to. There’s no need to force it. You can ask the question and then just leave them with it. The question will bother them basically forever if they refuse to play, and let it. Let it do its work. It’s far more important for them to grapple with than it is for you to get an answer to.
Then again, they might want to explore and engage. That’s even better.
My friend and I discussed some of the breaking points that were crossed for us and for people we know. For me, it was something between seeing unfair witchhunt-like haranguing applied to public figures I respected (falsely accusing them of racism and sexism), the subversive manipulation of language, and, especially, the brazen attacks on science coming from both the activist and scholarly communities around Critical Social Justice. This happened for me a few years ago. For my friend, it was the undeniable real racism and blatant double-standards at the heart of much of the Woke activist enterprise. For some of our friends, the public defense of riots in Woke language—like “whiteness is property,” so it’s okay to burn down a business—was a bridge too far. For others, it was being bullied into allyship that’s never good enough. For so many more, it’s just the outright racism.
Of course, I also hear from people citing the tearing down of statues (including George Washington’s), people losing their jobs, people being afraid to lose their jobs, “Shut down STEM,” people’s relationships falling apart (including otherwise healthy interracial marriages, in particular), and a wide variety of other clear signals that things have gone too far with this moral panic and the bad ideas rising to prominence within it. For more and more people, these need to stop.
So, the question for you is: What is (or was) your Woke breaking point? The question for your friends is the same. I’d love to hear them. Post them in the comments. Where did they cross the line for you?
Even though the conversation won’t go well, don’t be afraid to ask about this directly, because this is important. Get specific if you need to. Ask: Whose statue has to come down? Seriously, whose is the last straw? Abraham Lincoln? Martin Luther King, Jr.? Whose? What freedom has to be stripped? Due process of law? Speech? The right not to suffer cruel and unusual punishment?
Ask: When is enough, enough? Who has to get cancelled? Fired? How many people have to lose their livelihoods? How overt does the racism have to become? How many people have to humiliate themselves in “Antiracist” Struggle Sessions? Who has to be doxxed? Destroyed? Beaten up? Killed? Does it take a public lynching? Or would it take horrors we believed we left behind in the darker chapters of the twentieth century? Where is the uncrossable line between here and there?
The questions have to be asked. They’re something we have had the genuine privilege of not having to ask ourselves in a long time, and it seems like we’ve forgotten. Now, they have to be asked.
For one friend of mine, the line is at “real violence,” whatever that means in the present era. Perhaps it’s the kind the media isn’t spinning excuses for, maybe it means with firearms (it seems not to include the skyrocketing violent crime rates, though). At least it’s a line. At least he’s thinking about it. Another, a scholar, said the obvious perversion of his own academic field would be his last straw. It’s a bit fuzzy, but at least it’s a line and one that seems to fall far short of violence. Violence, he even said, wouldn’t be acceptable, and he’s already very uneasy with the property damage and the general mayhem. At least he’s thinking about it.
But, maybe it has to hit closer to home. Ask: Where is the line? Would it have to be personal? Do they have to be personally denounced a racist? Subjected to an “Antiracist” Struggle Session? Fire? Would it take destroying the thing they love? Their family? Their kids? Their job or career? Their hobby? Their life’s passion? What is it? What’s too far? We have to start asking, and it hardly matters if their breaking point is something selfish. People need to grapple with this. Even if all they can think about is themselves or their closest friends and family, at least they’re thinking about it.
For a close friend of mine, who is quite Woke still but not at all “all in,” we had to go quite far to find an absolute line. He has one. Should I, or other people he’s close to and knows don’t deserve it, get doxxed or start receiving credible death threats for standing up to Wokeness, that will apparently do it (does anybody deserve this, though?). Seems a little extreme to me that my own life would have to be on the line before he’d think surely this is getting out of hand, but at least he has a line. At least he’s thinking about it.
The people you ask should be able to find a Woke breaking point and name it, though, and if not, they need to be pressed on that point. That’s serious. They need to be asked: what does it mean that you can’t imagine this going too far? Maybe it spurs no reflection. The “right side of history” is, after all, quite the Greater Good, but even this is something they need to face up to, if it’s the case. Maybe that, at least, would get them thinking about it.
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Either they are not wise and do not see the consequences or they are not good and decent. In many cases, they are neither.
We need specific questions.
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“Where is your line for sexual relationships? Legal polygamy? Legal childhood marriage? Legal beastiality? Where?”
“Where is your line for gun control? Heavy gun taxes? Outlawing civilian guns? Gun confiscation? Where?”
“Either they are not wise and do not see the consequences or they are not good and decent.”
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams
Being “Woke” is nothing more than being fast asleep in a dystopian nightmare.
The Woke have fractured American society. There’s no going back to the way things were.
Yes, we need specifics.
One of my lottery dreams is to quit work and go out and have these kinds of conversations with people and secretly record them for my own edification to go over and refine my techniques and also to write a book of transcripts of these conversations. I’d just id the person by their attributes.
Is there any relationship of woke to reality?
That is what asking would cause me to question before I got an answer.
Is the person capable of rational thought when in the minds of many, woke is irrational on the order of PC group think or some other way of explaining irrationality.
Just my narrow thought on the subject. Is woke uncharted territory or just the latest from progressives buying in to the daily changing culture of the left.
“What is (or was) your Woke breaking point? The question for your friends is the same.”
If my three closest friends of 40+ years knew what I REALLY thought 99.999% of the time, they’d never speak to me again, LOL!
We became friends in the Army, prior to any of us being the least little bit interested in politics. They went one way, I went the other. None of them are radical in any way, but they seem dumber to me as time passes, though all have been fine, upstanding contributors to Society, raised good kids, have grand kids now, all in long term, solid marriages.
Or maybe it’s me? Maybe I’m the ‘woke’ one? *SNORT*
Where to start?!
I disliked the news failing in its job to give descriptions of perpetrators on the loose in my community. How long before they are no longer allowed to identify them as male or female persons of interest I do not know. The good news is the bad news in that now we have more camera footage of persons of interest, and of everyone else, come to that.
I disliked being forced by my professor to read the equivalent of a Harry Potter novel a week of bad social science research. It was illogical claptrap by people who couldn’t do math, but who wanted grant money anyway, so here we are with the Humanities ruined trying to cope with problems more suited for psychology, namely, untangling cultists from their cults.
TV is ruined but that might be just as well since its been a waste of time for a long time. Better to do more productive things, but I don’t know that people will, though I’ve seen a lot less new tv boxes on the curb lately.
Cancel culture has been gearing up for a long time. It used to be they would make something up about defaming prayer or desecrating the flag, but if you researched it you would find alleged gay rights violations or something. Some sort of critical mass may have been reached, but like Fareed Zakari gleefully mocking deplorables prematurely, a Trump sized wakeup call may be percolating through the consciousness of everyone that doesn’t want to live under the Woke Stasi.
Losing competitive advantage is a biggie for me, and thats exactly what all this navel gazing and goalposts on the move is getting us. We have become backwards.
That’s my situation, too!
Lost a 45 year friend after he kept poking me about guns, and then Trump. He got worse as he aged, and I got more responsive to his jabs, had enough of his chit.
I think they suffer from greater cognitive dissonance with age, as reality becomes more and more unavoidable.
“We have become backwards.”
Isaiah 5:20 (KJV):
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
“Or maybe it’s me? Maybe I’m the ‘woke’ one? *SNORT*”
I think we’ll soon see and hear from a not-so-silent majority.
The oligarchs want us Boomers silenced, or gone, badly.
I think you’re going to get a varied spectrum based upon a person’s particular Faith at the time of their ‘woke’ limit being breached.
As a non-Christian (raised Catholic) my mindset was such that Hillary Clinton was a conservative. No joke, either. After coming to accept Christ as my Savior, there was a dramatic turn-around. As a Christian there was never a question of actually reaching a ‘woke’ breach, per say. Wisdom, was a patient teacher and dealt with me firmly.
So it’ll be interesting to see the replies. I hope to be enlightened in a bit with the responses.
By the way, excellent for asking!!
“I think we’ll soon see and hear from a not-so-silent majority.”
Hurry, Mid-Terms and Governor’s races! :)
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