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How Quickly Can The Cruise Industry Rebound?
Travel Pulse ^ | JUNE 21, 2021 | LACEY PFALZ

Posted on 06/22/2021 11:30:35 AM PDT by Capt. Tom

The cruise industry has been buffeted by the pandemic this year, rising to meet several distinct challenges as it begins to restart its sailings out of the United States.

The first challenge was getting test sailings approved by the CDC. Ten cruise ships across four major cruise lines have sailed or are currently sailing on test cruises from American ports. The test cruises are at a reduced capacity and differ in safety protocols by cruise line, but the majority of them require all crew to be vaccinated, as well as guests old enough to receive the vaccine. Despite the sometimes confusing requirements, Royal Caribbean’s test cruises had an incredible 250,000 individuals volunteer, citing a strong desire to get back to cruising.

So far, only one cruise line sailing with passengers in the Caribbean has had anyone test positive for COVID-19. Celebrity Cruises’ Celebrity Millennium had two passengers test positive for the virus, and they were asymptomatic. They were quickly isolated and taken to St. Maarten until they tested negative. The Millennium had tested every crewmember and guest prior to sailing and throughout; every person onboard was vaccinated.

The cruise industry, much like in every other industry in America, has been politicized in relation to the vaccine requirements issued by the CDC, creating problems for the industry. Texas and Florida both passed laws forbidding businesses from requiring customers to show proof of vaccination, including cruise lines. The CDC requires that all test guests must be either vaccinated or show proof that they are not at high-risk for complications or death due to the virus. However, cruises are the safest when everyone is vaccinated.

This poses problems for Carnival Cruise Line, Norwegian Cruise Line, Celebrity Cruises and others that had been planning on operating with fully vaccinated crew and guests out of these states’ ports.

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis mentioned back in May that a cruise line could be fined $5,000 per passenger should they require proof of vaccination. Florida has sued the CDC because of its Conditional Sail Order (CSO) and vaccination requirements. Just last week, a federal judge ruled in favor of the state of Florida, explaining that the CDC overstepped its authority by issuing the CSO, which includes regulations on cruise travel, with the mandate for test cruises and mostly vaccinated passengers.

The CDC has until July 2 to create guidelines for cruises, which means that in a perfect world, cruises could once again begin operating out of Florida ports as early as July.

While the threat of ongoing legal battles has seemingly disappeared, vaccination rates could become another impediment. There’s no doubt that the cruise industry will (eventually) recover, so long as Americans reach herd immunity, but the when and the how of it is still to be determined.

According to a GlobalData poll, 21 percent of North American respondents weren’t planning on taking a COVID-19 vaccination. That’s millions of people who, should the vaccine requirement still be in effect for some cruise lines (who could mandate it themselves, without the CDC’s mandate) won’t be able to sail anytime soon.

The topic of vaccines and vaccine requirements has also been impacting travel advisors.

Scott Lara, an experienced travel advisor from TheCruiseGenius.com, mentioned that while he was getting a lot of calls from clients who are interested in cruising, particularly in the Caribbean and Alaska, the biggest question they have is if vaccinations are required.

Jeremy Hall, Operations, Sales and Marketing for Cruise Vacations International believes Americans especially hold the key to the industry’s recovery: “The cruise industry is going to bounce back as soon as U.S. citizens are back on board again. In fact, Celebrity Millennium just departed with the first U.S. passengers... and I think once those passengers start posting their pics and vids on social media, we’re going to see a huge boom in bookings and we are ready for it!”

Laziza Lambert, CLIA's Director of Strategic Communications and Public Affairs, said: "Although enthusiasm from cruisers remains strong, we recognize that it may take some time before the public is comfortable with many aspects of traveling post-pandemic. Rebuilding public trust in cruise is going to be a priority for us as we look to the future, and we hope to be able to do so by demonstrating the effectiveness of the measures in place."

Internationally, cruises have been operating with strict protocols and at a reduced capacity throughout the pandemic without much problem, but without American travelers. Regional recoveries could occur sooner than the entire industry’s recovery; the Mediterranean, for example, has had cruises throughout the pandemic and is opening up once again for American travelers this summer as European countries do the same.

Despite all of these recent issues, the future of cruise travel seems bright.

Earlier in the year, several of the most expensive world cruises sold out in record time. Silversea’s South Side Story 2023 world cruise sold out in one day; Oceania’s Around the World in 180 Days world cruise for 2023 also sold out within a day. The demand continues to grow, and back in March, Oceania recorded its best booking day in its 18-year history.

So when exactly will the rebound occur?

Brad Striegel, Cruise Planners Franchise Owner and Travel Advisor said: “I think cruising will fully rebound when three primary events occur: First, the CDC removes the conditional sailing order. Second, cruisers accept their risk to COVID-19 infection, vaccinated or not, as they would for other common respiratory diseases, like the flu...Third, some of the public health protocols, like vaccine requirements, masks and social distancing, are eliminated on all cruises.”

People are making plans for the future, for 2022 and beyond. The demand is there, as Stewart Chiron mentioned in a cruise-related TravelPulse Podcast episode; there just needs to be concrete plans for travelers to trust cruising again: “Just tell us when we can go; give us specific, real, definitive ships and sailing dates.”

Chiron went on to say he believes it'll be into 2022 before the cruise industry full rebounds.

When do you think it will?


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To: Capt. Tom

When the ships return to the seas will there be requirement for all vaccinated passengers or just 95% ??? Over in Cruise critic they have been beating up unvaxxed for weeks. Even threatening just because they didnt want to have to wear a mask. Then The Mods put up this notice
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New Policy: COVID-related Discussion
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LauraS
By LauraS
06/21/2021

Effective immediately, COVID-related discussion should be limited to actual policy on board ships (and other forms of travel) and its practical application. Discussion should NOT veer into opinion or debate.

Every one of us has experienced the unprecedented restrictions, disruptions and changes to our cruise travel, work, shopping, schooling, social interactions and so many other aspects of our lives since the global pandemic began in early 2020. Frankly, we have been inundated with news, information, mis-information, frustrations and opinions. We’ve heard them, we’ve shared them, we’ve argued about them.

Over the past few months, we have heard from many of you that the discussions, debates and arguments about the virus, distancing and masking policies, various politicians’ statements and actions have been overwhelming and divisive. Many topics have derailed or devolved into arguments. Cruise Critic understands the passion you all have – we have it too! — and we are confident that we’ve moderated with a light hand and most discussions have run their course. However, there simply are better places on the web to learn about — and debate — scientific, medical and political issues.

The good news is….we now have a great deal to look forward to! Cruise (and travel) is beginning to open up again and it is time to refocus on why we are here: our love of cruise! So, here are the specifics:

We will NOT welcome debate or opinion about medical, scientific, or political aspects of the pandemic. There are a few often repeated trigger items that won’t be allowed:
No statistics about infection rates,
no discussions about where the virus may have started,
no dialogue about individual rights,
no commenting about after-effects of vaccinations,
no debate about whether vaccinations or masking are effective,

no anti-vaxxer or pro-vaxxer comments of any kind,
no discussions about which governor or politician or news personality did or said what.

We will welcome information on COVID policies RELATED TO CRUISE. Things like:
vaccination policies issued by individual cruise lines, venues or destinations,
cleaning or distancing procedures in use, practical tips for cruisers or things they might need to know that are different from ports of call to embarkation ports are all valid topics.

official policies issued by cruise line, travel destinations, airlines, etc. regarding requirements for boarding or shore excursions can be shared. This information needs to be on-topic for the specific forum and thread where posted.

We understand that you may be passionate in your opinions on this topic and want to discuss or debate them, and appreciate your understanding that there are more appropriate places than the Cruise Critic Community to do that. If, however, you are here to talk about the most passionate of vacation travel — cruising — let’s get on with it!

Please note that the above is not all-inclusive and that Cruise Critic reserves the absolute right to reject any and all content, in our sole discretion, without notification to its author. All of our Community Guidelines are in effect. Any questions, comments or concerns regarding the above should be addressed to us at: community@cruisecritic.com using your email address of record. Please include your member name.
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This week something very funny happened. Nasty posts from the anti-mask and so called prova New Policy: COVID-related Discussion
×
LauraS
By LauraS
06/21/2021

Effective immediately, COVID-related discussion should be limited to actual policy on board ships (and other forms of travel) and its practical application. Discussion should NOT veer into opinion or debate.

Every one of us has experienced the unprecedented restrictions, disruptions and changes to our cruise travel, work, shopping, schooling, social interactions and so many other aspects of our lives since the global pandemic began in early 2020. Frankly, we have been inundated with news, information, mis-information, frustrations and opinions. We’ve heard them, we’ve shared them, we’ve argued about them.

Over the past few months, we have heard from many of you that the discussions, debates and arguments about the virus, distancing and masking policies, various politicians’ statements and actions have been overwhelming and divisive. Many topics have derailed or devolved into arguments. Cruise Critic understands the passion you all have – we have it too! — and we are confident that we’ve moderated with a light hand and most discussions have run their course. However, there simply are better places on the web to learn about — and debate — scientific, medical and political issues.

The good news is….we now have a great deal to look forward to! Cruise (and travel) is beginning to open up again and it is time to refocus on why we are here: our love of cruise! So, here are the specifics:

We will NOT welcome debate or opinion about medical, scientific, or political aspects of the pandemic. There are a few often repeated trigger items that won’t be allowed:
No statistics about infection rates,
no discussions about where the virus may have started,
no dialogue about individual rights,
no commenting about after-effects of vaccinations,
no debate about whether vaccinations or masking are effective,
no anti-vaxxer or pro-vaxxer comments of any kind,
no discussions about which governor or politician or news personality did or said what.

We will welcome information on COVID policies RELATED TO CRUISE. Things like:
vaccination policies issued by individual cruise lines, venues or destinations,
cleaning or distancing procedures in use, practical tips for cruisers or things they might need to know that are different from ports of call to embarkation ports are all valid topics.
official policies issued by cruise line, travel destinations, airlines, etc. regarding requirements for boarding or shore excursions can be shared. This information needs to be on-topic for the specific forum and thread where posted.
We understand that you may be passionate in your opinions on this topic and want to discuss or debate them, and appreciate your understanding that there are more appropriate places than the Cruise Critic Community to do that. If, however, you are here to talk about the most passionate of vacation travel — cruising — let’s get on with it!

Please note that the above is not all-inclusive and that Cruise Critic reserves the absolute right to reject any and all content, in our sole discretion, without notification to its author. All of our Community Guidelines are in effect. Any questions, comments or concerns regarding the above should be addressed to us at: community@cruisecritic.com using your email address of record. Please include your member name.
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This week something very funny happened. Nasty posts from the anti-mask vaxxed crowd are not deleted but any slightly suspicious or even innocent posts from other people are. It appears that Cruise Critic is very pro-active when it comes to coercing people to get vaccinated but not as pro-choice and all inclusive as they claim. They are as political as they claim we are not to be.

Nothing has changed except the deletion of posts that dont readily agree with those of the vaxxed posters, that the unvaxxed are the enemy etc


21 posted on 06/23/2021 3:30:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Oh I accidently posted that twice


22 posted on 06/23/2021 3:32:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Over in Cruise critic they have been beating up unvaxxed for weeks. Even threatening just because they didnt want to have to wear a mask. Then The Mods put up this notice snip...

That's another reason I believe the Cruise lines won't get back to 2018-19 economics.

The Cruise Lines have aggravated to many potential cruisers, by voluntarily moving the goal posts, and ass kissing our CDC to pacify their enemy the CDC.

I personally know an elderly couple that will do a river cruise in the USA because everybody has to be vaccinated ,but they will not do any other cruise if it has unvaccinated people onboard. I sense a lot of elderly cruisers feel that way.
So I think the Cruise Lines can get hit both ways on these so-called vaccine requirements.

In post #2 rktman touches on this when he posts: "As long as they insist on segregating vaxxers(certified of course) and anti-vaxxers(?)[no cert or don’t want to show it], it may be a while." -Tom

23 posted on 06/23/2021 5:26:40 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (.It's COVID 2021 - The Events, not us, are still in charge -Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom

Yes you may be right...

Im still waiting to hear if I get to cruise. ...

Carnival has been sending out EMails to those on July cruises...denials or acceptance...they have been denying infants and toddlers probably because of the mask thing...

Right now I have 51 days and a wake up till my cruise...For the past 16 months I couldnt get lower than 60 days before cancellations...

If I get denied I get all of my money back...


24 posted on 06/23/2021 6:14:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: freedumb2003

Titanic vs The Oasis Class
https://malcolmoliver.wordpress.com/titanic-vs-oasis-of-the-seas/

Size of different cruise ships
https://boards.cruisecritic.com.au/topic/1656022-size-comparison-pictures/

Size difference of the Titanic vs Oasis
https://external-preview.redd.it/VzAmzFCMP0iooCL5hGDiUpKWikt5yWS9ZhIx2pCzSNk.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bf331c02e5f96f2384ad584c9bb38ce865538de0


25 posted on 06/23/2021 6:26:01 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (I need more money. )
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To: minnesota_bound
Those are great!

To continue the fun:

The Princess was 168M - Titanic was 269M so the Princess was 60% or so of Titanic - its prow would apx. be at the 4th smokestack of the Titanic.

Here is another interesting pic with the Maasdam and the OASIS:

The Maasdam is 220M so the Princess would have been 75% of its size.

Princess Cruises back then offered luxury and elegance. Carnival blew that up.

26 posted on 06/24/2021 5:25:23 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The left does not want dialogue; it wants compliance.)
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To: Capt. Tom
Get a load of this...

Disney postpones its first test cruise after 'inconsistent' COVID-19 test results among crew - with five vaccinated people testing positive one day and negative the next

27 posted on 06/29/2021 4:06:08 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: mewzilla

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9734633/Disney-postpones-test-cruise-pandemic-inconsistent-COVID-test-results.html

Can you imagine the inconvenience of having a false positive on yourself or a traveling companion in the USA or overseas? - Tom


28 posted on 06/29/2021 6:36:08 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (.It's COVID 2021 - The Events, not us, are still in charge -Tom)
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